American Football? Nobody outside the US gives a fck about that, but I think some rugby can definitely play thatWhy does the rest of the world suck at basketball and football?
Meanwhile in US basketball was beaten before
Why Americans suck at soccer (well, the men)
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Meanwhile in US basketball was beaten before
staticshock
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And nobody in America gives a fukk about soccer!
IllmaticDelta
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it's true because in the USa, soccer is a white middle class sport. It's basically looked at similiar to some thing like hockey or skiing lol. Otside the USA though, it's the sport of the 3rd world, types
afro-latinos (at least dominican and ricans) are more into baseball than soccer from what I've seen
west indians seem to be more into track and field than soccer
tbh soccer isn't exciting enough for most Americans. baseball went from America's #1 sport to taking a back seat to football and basketball. low scoring games aren't what the average American likes. we want action 
but obviously America would dominate anything if we wanted to. don't quote me disagreeing. thank you .
but obviously America would dominate anything if we wanted to. don't quote me disagreeing. thank you .
Black Americans are looking at the sports that will uplift us out of our current financial situation. As a black American you can see a direct path through football, basketball, baseball, and formerly boxing to either getting to college or making enough money to lift your family out of poverty. Although that is soccer's role in the rest of the world, over here that shyt ain't obtainable for us through soccer. Do they give college scholarships for soccer? They don't even have leagues in urban areas for the most part and if they do its very expensive and time consuming to participate in.
Don't forget how Lebron would be the best player in soccer cause of his superior athleticismHoly shyt this thread is full of ignorance
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Other countries don’t have the options like America does
Soccer is at best fourth choice
Pretty simple
Soccer is at best fourth choice
Pretty simple
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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US can produce solid center backs and goalies but midfielders and strikers are a different story. Pele's, CR7's, Messi's etc., are rare even for soccer crazy nations.
Elite soccer talent is identified early and funneled through programs that are tied to the major futbol clubs in a given country.
Imagine scouts showing up at a Pop Warner football game and plucking 7 year olds to play and learn at a Dallas Cowboys or Philadelphia Eagles developing academy. American football wouldn't work under a system like that because physical maturity matters a lot more than in soccer. Soccer relies on skill, so a 5'6 150 lb kid can be dominant if he's got the brains, skill, pace etc. even if he never grew another inch or pound.
Growth in physical ability is uneven and hard to project. A kid that is a QB at 10 might be a RG by age 16.
Elite soccer talent is identified early and funneled through programs that are tied to the major futbol clubs in a given country.
Imagine scouts showing up at a Pop Warner football game and plucking 7 year olds to play and learn at a Dallas Cowboys or Philadelphia Eagles developing academy. American football wouldn't work under a system like that because physical maturity matters a lot more than in soccer. Soccer relies on skill, so a 5'6 150 lb kid can be dominant if he's got the brains, skill, pace etc. even if he never grew another inch or pound.
Growth in physical ability is uneven and hard to project. A kid that is a QB at 10 might be a RG by age 16.
You clearly dont understand American culture. Thats your ignorance.Holy shyt this thread is full of ignorance
The Dallas Cowboys Americans, premier most popular team WILL NEVER get away with signing a 11 year phenom QB to a contract.
In a perfect world Bronny James could be signed by the Lakers tomorrow . That shyt aint happening in America. You believe it will you are delusional
There is a documentary about Tom Byer, an American, and how the japanese soccer federation handed the keys to him two decades ago when their national team was garbage. He too their program from Trash to competitive, with their women winning the world cup over america, through outreach and exposure to the whole country, not just the rich yuppies who can pay twenty g's large for Caleb to sit on the bench. After the US didn't make the world cup, there was a big push to let him take over the USA program but US soccer was like fukk that. The higher ups are cool with the US team being mediocre as hell because they know they can make hella money regardless.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
And when it comes to black americans and others in this country regarding soccer, cism also plays a role.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...ont-pay-upfront-race-us-soccer-fields-seattle
'White soccer teams don't pay upfront': how race unlevelled US playing fields
Wealthy, mostly white soccer clubs in the US have long snatched up the best pitches – but in liberal Seattle, one official is taking a stand
Les CarpenterMon 4 Jun 2018 08.00 EDT
A few years ago, Exequiel Soltero wanted to rent two soccer fields in a well-to-do Seattle suburb. Finding places for his Latino immigrant soccer league to play matches had become quite a challenge: the area’s soccer fields were always snatched up by wealthy, mostly white clubs who had the money and expertise to navigate the city’s leasing process. It was a complaint he often heard from other clubs in Seattle’s lower income communities.
They felt shut out.
So Soltero was thrilled when he found two fields that were clean, well-maintained and available at the times he needed. But when he called the local recreation scheduler, he was told the fields had been rented. Suspicious, he drove to the park on the day he had requested – and found the fields empty. They were available. Just not, it seemed, to Mexican immigrants.
“I went to his office and confronted him,” Soltero says. “I said: I went by the fields and I stayed there for over an hour and nobody was there.”
The official eventually leased Soltero the field, but only after demanding he pay the rental fee upfront. Soltero says he was also asked to provide a list of the players along with their home addresses to prove they were “local”.
Sitting at a table in the Mexican restaurant he owns in the mostly African-American and immigrant Seattle neighbourhood of Dunlap, Soltero still seethes.
“If you were a white team they wouldn’t ask you for addresses,” he says. “I don’t think the white teams have to pay upfront.”
By now, he knows the stereotypes of immigrant soccer leagues: that they won’t pay; that players bring their families and stay all day with coolers of food; that they leave the fields a mess. It doesn’t matter that Soltero has lived in the US for four decades, his restaurant becoming a Seattle institution with a fleet of catering trucks. Or that he demands his teams clean the fields before leaving.
Too often, he says, he is judged by his accent.
Seattle is known as one of America’s most liberal cities, famous for its green initiatives, robust unions and taxes on the rich. In recent years, it has grown into one of the country’s biggest centres of soccer. On match nights, thousands of fans of the city’s Major League Soccer team, Sounders FC, march through the old streets of Pioneer Square to CenturyLink Field, where attendance over the last few years has averaged more than 40,000 a game.
But a three-decade tech boom has also gentrified Seattle in ways longtime residents could probably never have imagined. Last year, Seattle was the nation’s fastest-growing big city, adding more than 50 people a day. Rents have risen 57% in six years. A city with a nominally socialist soul now has a skyline filled with construction cranes erecting luxury condominiums.
Soccer is pretty organised. If you aren’t part of a big club you aren’t getting in
Courtney Brown, parks official
In this new economy, poorer and non-white players have been pushed away from one of the world’s most democratic sports. Public schools refuse to share their immaculate fields with the public, citing concerns about litigation. Parks are overcrowded, and immigrant players who come to play pick-up games are chased off pitches by well-funded leagues who pay to practise there.
The problem is hardly Seattle’s alone. Field access is becoming a serious problem in American soccer. A game played freely around the globe is regulated in the US, controlled by a sprawling network of expensive youth leagues that can often cost parents more than $10,000 (£7,420) a year. The leagues are well-funded, heavily white and sometimes so sophisticated they employ people to find fields. They are also the primary feeders to colleges and national teams.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
“You want to be part of an organisation that has money to get the fields,” says Courtney Brown, the athletic scheduling manager for Seattle Parks and Recreation, speaking generally about American soccer today. “Soccer is pretty organised. If you aren’t part of [a big club] you aren’t getting in.”
Seattle wants to change this. A few years ago, officials and soccer supporters began discussing the inequality in their city. While they weren’t blocking black and immigrant teams from their fields like the suburban community Soltero described, officials feared they weren’t doing enough to help underserved kids get on to the city’s fields.
With a push from Doug Andreassen, a former president of Washington Youth Soccer and head a panel examining diversity issues for the US Soccer Federation, the city started to look for ways to even up access to fields.
In July, Brown did something revolutionary. He started telling the big soccer clubs that he would be leasing them fewer hours on the city’s fields. He would offer those hours to leagues in underserved neighbourhoods.
He explained that he was doing this to be fair, that this would become the city’s parks policy starting this year. And that he hoped, this being Seattle, that everyone would understand.
It was a bold move. Brown knows of only one other US city that is trying something similar. Most other parks officials he has spoken to have no interest in enforcing greater equality, fearful of upsetting the wealthy leagues that provide guaranteed income.
“People here are about one another,” he says. “They care about social justice.”
Brown knows he is asking a lot. Not only is he demanding that clubs give up field time to lower-income teams, he actually might have to find those teams himself. In many leagues, organisers speak little English and might not understand the rental process. Simply opening the registration window and expecting these teams to sign up isn’t enough. He’ll have to seek them out.
“People will get upset,” he says. “But I really think if we talk to them, tell them what we are doing, they will say: We know there are organisations that are minority and we understand that they need to get fields too.
“I think they will understand if I communicate it right.”
So far the bigger clubs have been understanding. He reminds them of Seattle’s Racial Equity Toolkit, a city-mandated flowchart designed to help eliminate institutional and structural racism. And he tells them that next year, at least once a week, some fields won’t be rented at all but instead left open for free use, to allow the kind of casual pick-up games being discouraged by bureaucracy.
“I have to say, I’m happy with how it is going,” he says.
“Courtney is a little naive,” says Andreassen, as we drive through some of Seattle’s poorest neighbourhoods, many with stunning views of Lake Washington, the Cascade Mountains and the towering Mount Rainier.
So many times, he says, he has listened to white parents and coaches accusing black and Latino teams of using over-age or undocumented players, or of violating obscure procedural policies. Usually the allegations come because the non-white teams have beaten the white teams, he adds.
Recently he helped a Latino team south of Seattle that had been suspended by a mostly white league for just such a procedural error. The Latino team had won a tournament. Andreassen wonders just how progressive Seattle’s soccer community will prove to be when confronted with losing field time.
Then he pauses, and says maybe Brown’s optimism is good. “Because his being a little naive about this will help him push through,” he says.
And maybe a city that is supposed to be about social justice can find it again in soccer.
Seattle wants to change this. A few years ago, officials and soccer supporters began discussing the inequality in their city. While they weren’t blocking black and immigrant teams from their fields like the suburban community Soltero described, officials feared they weren’t doing enough to help underserved kids get on to the city’s fields.
With a push from Doug Andreassen, a former president of Washington Youth Soccer and head a panel examining diversity issues for the US Soccer Federation, the city started to look for ways to even up access to fields.
In July, Brown did something revolutionary. He started telling the big soccer clubs that he would be leasing them fewer hours on the city’s fields. He would offer those hours to leagues in underserved neighbourhoods.
He explained that he was doing this to be fair, that this would become the city’s parks policy starting this year. And that he hoped, this being Seattle, that everyone would understand.
It was a bold move. Brown knows of only one other US city that is trying something similar. Most other parks officials he has spoken to have no interest in enforcing greater equality, fearful of upsetting the wealthy leagues that provide guaranteed income.
“People here are about one another,” he says. “They care about social justice.”
Brown knows he is asking a lot. Not only is he demanding that clubs give up field time to lower-income teams, he actually might have to find those teams himself. In many leagues, organisers speak little English and might not understand the rental process. Simply opening the registration window and expecting these teams to sign up isn’t enough. He’ll have to seek them out.
“People will get upset,” he says. “But I really think if we talk to them, tell them what we are doing, they will say: We know there are organisations that are minority and we understand that they need to get fields too.
“I think they will understand if I communicate it right.”
So far the bigger clubs have been understanding. He reminds them of Seattle’s Racial Equity Toolkit, a city-mandated flowchart designed to help eliminate institutional and structural racism. And he tells them that next year, at least once a week, some fields won’t be rented at all but instead left open for free use, to allow the kind of casual pick-up games being discouraged by bureaucracy.
“I have to say, I’m happy with how it is going,” he says.
“Courtney is a little naive,” says Andreassen, as we drive through some of Seattle’s poorest neighbourhoods, many with stunning views of Lake Washington, the Cascade Mountains and the towering Mount Rainier.
So many times, he says, he has listened to white parents and coaches accusing black and Latino teams of using over-age or undocumented players, or of violating obscure procedural policies. Usually the allegations come because the non-white teams have beaten the white teams, he adds.
Recently he helped a Latino team south of Seattle that had been suspended by a mostly white league for just such a procedural error. The Latino team had won a tournament. Andreassen wonders just how progressive Seattle’s soccer community will prove to be when confronted with losing field time.
Then he pauses, and says maybe Brown’s optimism is good. “Because his being a little naive about this will help him push through,” he says.
And maybe a city that is supposed to be about social justice can find it again in soccer.
They wouldn't sign one because , no one in American sports wants to PAY for them. They would rather watch them get exploited in college.
This is actually an investment in the kids talents and he will be given the tools to maximize his talents and still get to go to school, study etc. Basically fast tracked to becoming a millionaire if he keeps his skill up.