Who’s stronger....Wanda (Scarlet Witch) or Jean Grey (Dark Phoenix)?

[KOOL-AID]

base wanda>>> base jean. base wanda<= phoenix force jean. angry unhinged wanda = phoenix force jean. idk what the white phoenix force is but it wld probably wash all forms of wanda. i could be totally wrong n way off tho

 

[Rekkapryde]

Nate Grey >>>>>> White Phoenix of the Crown Jean Grey >>>>> Dark Phoenix >>>> Scarlet Witch

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[Poetical Poltergeist]

Black widow

 

[The axe murderer]

Nate Grey >>>>>> White Phoenix of the Crown Jean Grey >>>>> Dark Phoenix >>>> Scarlet Witch

Who the most powerful mutant? Imo its probably mad jim jaspers

 

[R=G]

I'm aware that Wanda has shown the ability to resist and harm Phoenix Force hosts (I said as much in my first post). However, once the Phoneix Force was split between Cyclops and Emma Frost, Wanda was a lot less effective, unleashing everything that she had against Cyclops and him shrugging it off. That said, I don't think Dark Phoenix Jean is stable or focused enough to put a sane Wanda down before Wanda drops her.

Also, Red Onslaught was able to pretty easily mind control Wanda in Uncanny Avengers.

I think that White Phoneix Jean would handle Scarlet Witch, sane or insane, but that isn't the version being debated.

That was a reduced Wanda..that wasn't the levels we speak of. Like Jean is usually normal and bested by Sinister. Wanda used to stop Ultron before all of this. Then the Life Force enabled her to create the House of M because of Quicksilver's meddling.

 

[Concerned Citizen]

I gotta go with Phoenix. Wanda can reshape realities at her fullest use of power but the Phoenix can create and destroy entire realities. Also the Phoenix Force is an omniversal cosmic presence. I’m unsure about this but what attention have the Celestials paid to Wanda? Usually the Celestials coming a knocking is the litmus test for how strong a Marvel character is on a universal/multiversal scale.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Jean a Omega Level...wanda ain't that.

They both are but Jean is way more powerful.

 

[hostsamurai]

Who the most powerful mutant? Imo its probably mad jim jaspers

It's more tiers than anything really, if we're going pure power rather than external energy or potential:


Legion - Nate Grey - Vulcan - Mad Jim Jasper's - Colossus's brother - Jamie Braddock - Franklin Richards - Mr M.

I wonder if full potential Gambit/ new Sun has universal level kenetic energy manipulation.

 

[The axe murderer]

It's more tiers than anything really, if we're going pure power rather than external energy or potential:


Legion - Nate Grey - Vulcan - Mad Jim Jasper's - Colossus's brother - Jamie Braddock - Franklin Richards - Mr M.

I wonder if full potential Gambit/ new Sun has universal level kenetic energy manipulation.

Marquis of death too strong as well

 

[R=G]

It's more tiers than anything really, if we're going pure power rather than external energy or potential:


Legion - Nate Grey - Vulcan - Mad Jim Jasper's - Colossus's brother - Jamie Braddock - Franklin Richards - Mr M.

I wonder if full potential Gambit/ new Sun has universal level kenetic energy manipulation.

Gambit can't even stop Miss Sinister..cant even stop Rogue in case you missed the comical happenings of X Men #45 or Uncanny X- Men #350...lol

Most powerful on that list is like Nate Grey and Franklin Richards..well Franklin fell off...he always falls off.

 

[The axe murderer]

Created by mad jim jaspers

 

[hostsamurai]

Gambit can't even stop Miss Sinister..cant even stop Rogue in case you missed the comical happenings of X Men #45 or Uncanny X- Men #350...lol

Most powerful on that list is like Nate Grey and Franklin Richards..well Franklin fell off...he always falls off.

New Sun Gambit is an alternate reality Gambit, basically an omega level kinetic energy manipulator.

Doesn't need touch to activate his powers. He completely killed all life on his planet in a moment and could've blown his Earth up. Can convert most energy forms into kinetic energy and cause explosions at any scale. He can freeze someone or prevent someone in motion from stopping and even has temperature control by flexing his molecular level kinetic control.

Has the power to transform into an energy form and travel through space and multiple dimensions.

He's way more OP than omega level Iceman but everyone else on my list can do most of this stuff and he's probably not taking Phoenix either.

 

[R=G]

New Sun Gambit is an alternate reality Gambit, basically an omega level kinetic energy manipulator.

Doesn't need touch to activate his powers. He completely killed all life on his planet in a moment and could've blown his Earth up. Can convert most energy forms into kinetic energy and cause explosions at any scale. He can freeze someone or prevent someone in motion from stopping and even has temperature control by flexing his molecular level kinetic control.

Has the power to transform into an energy form and travel through space and multiple dimensions.

He's way more OP than omega level Iceman but everyone else on my list can do most of this stuff and he's probably not taking Phoenix either.

Yeah I know about new sun from the little gambit series but that didn't help him against Apocalypse, Stryfe, Exodus, Sinister, Joseph, etc.

 

[R=G]

They both are but Jean is way more powerful.

No..lol. She needs the Phoenix or Juggernaut beats her in two panels. I mean Cable's son put her in a fukking cage just to lure Sinister out...

 

[Peter Popoff]

No..lol. She needs the Phoenix or Juggernaut beats her in two panels. I mean Cable's son put her in a fukking cage just to lure Sinister out...

My bad, not Jean. I meant Phoenix. Juggs and Magneto have helmets that protect them against telepathy. Phoenix is Marvel's Dr. Manhattan with daddy issues.