Who will have the better career between MKG and Harrison Barnes?

[#1 pick]

He actually is creating his own offense, I don't know what you been watching but Barnes has been killing people from the mid post.

That is his best position to score, which we both agree but that would but taken away in Charlotte due to teams having to gameplan for Barnes instead of them gameplanning for Steph, Klay, and Lee. Add Iggy to that mix and he's the 5th option.

Malta, you know the game more than most here, why are you asking rookie level questions? You know teams in the NBA would adjust quickly to him like they did to Jennings in Milwaukee. Look at Barnes 82games report. His team is actually at a negative with him on the court.
http://www.82games.com/1314/13GSW7.HTM
There is a reason why GS felt getting a good SF was a priority in the off-season and why they are much better with Iggy than Barnes.

I like Barnes potential but to bluntly say that really isn't being truthful.

 

[#1 pick]

So he would be Tony Allen here.

Not exactly, Allen doesn't have that level of offense BBIQ or talent that MKG has but Allen is better defensively and he is more aggressive offensively as well.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

That is his best position to score, which we both agree but that would but taken away in Charlotte due to teams having to gameplan for Barnes instead of them gameplanning for Steph, Klay, and Lee. Add Iggy to that mix and he's the 5th option.

Malta, you know the game more than most here, why are you asking rookie level questions? You know teams in the NBA would adjust quickly to him like they did to Jennings in Milwaukee. Look at Barnes 82games report. His team is actually at a negative with him on the court.
http://www.82games.com/1314/13GSW7.HTM
There is a reason why GS felt getting a good SF was a priority in the off-season and why they are much better with Iggy than Barnes.

I like Barnes potential but to bluntly say that really isn't being truthful.

The priority was to sign a star that wanted to come here for below market price. Initially Klay was going to be the 1 that came off the bench and Barnes was going to start until he got hurt in the preseason and Klay started beasting. Barnes started in the preseason and Klay came off the bench.

 

[Malta]

That is his best position to score, which we both agree but that would but taken away in Charlotte due to teams having to gameplan for Barnes instead of them gameplanning for Steph, Klay, and Lee. Add Iggy to that mix and he's the 5th option.

Malta, you know the game more than most here, why are you asking rookie level questions? You know teams in the NBA would adjust quickly to him like they did to Jennings in Milwaukee. Look at Barnes 82games report. His team is actually at a negative with him on the court.
http://www.82games.com/1314/13GSW7.HTM
There is a reason why GS felt getting a good SF was a priority in the off-season and why they are much better with Iggy than Barnes.

I like Barnes potential but to bluntly say that really isn't being truthful.

Breh, you said someone else was creating for him when only 54% of his shots are assisted, that is borderline elite level in the NBA for a wing. For comparison, Kevin Durant has 51% of his offense created for him. This isn't about his +/-, especially since they won 47 games last year with him starting, this is about the type of offensive player he is and how he'd be able to score on the Bobcats.

The Warriors went after Iguodala because he can take the ball out of Curry's hands and let him play off the ball, something they discovered worked well with Jack. As good as Barnes projects out, he will never be a point forward, he is strictly a scoring wing, so using that against him is silly.

 

[#1 pick]

Breh, you said someone else was creating for him when only 54% of his shots are assisted, that is borderline elite level in the NBA for a wing. For comparison, Kevin Durant has 51% of his offense created for him. This isn't about his +/-, especially since they won 47 games last year with him starting, this is about the type of offensive player he is and how he'd be able to score on the Bobcats.

The Warriors went after Iguodala because he can take the ball out of Curry's hands and let him play off the ball, something they discovered worked well with Jack. As good as Barnes projects out, he will never be a point forward, he is strictly a scoring wing, so using that against him is silly.

51% of his offense as the #4 or #5 option isn't the same as #1 or #2 on a far less talented team. You are right that 54% shots assisted is an elite level which for a wing.

I can fully agree with the 2nd paragraph which is 100%, still don't agree with the premise of what we are talking about which was would he be able to have a much greater impact with the Bobcats.

 

[#1 pick]

The priority was to sign a star that wanted to come here for below market price. Initially Klay was going to be the 1 that came off the bench and Barnes was going to start until he got hurt in the preseason and Klay started beasting. Barnes started in the preseason and Klay came off the bench.

Not exactly, Allen doesn't have that level of offense BBIQ or talent that MKG has but Allen is better defensively and he is more aggressive offensively as well.

Not to mention, MKG is a point forward who does a good job in that role as well when he has talent around him which Charlotte lacks.

 

[Malta]

51% of his offense as the #4 or #5 option isn't the same as #1 or #2 on a far less talented team. You are right that 54% shots assisted is an elite level which for a wing.

I can fully agree with the 2nd paragraph which is 100%, still don't agree with the premise of what we are talking about which was would he be able to have a much greater impact with the Bobcats.

How is he the 4th or 5th option when he was coming off the bench as the first option for the second unit? He's the 3rd option when he starts, not the 4th or 5th.

In a league where Jeff Green averages 17 a night, I have no doubt that Barnes is better than him and could put in 20 on a bad team like Charlotte.

 

[#1 pick]

How is he the 4th or 5th option when he was coming off the bench as the first option for the second unit? He's the 3rd option when he starts, not the 4th or 5th.

I was going by the shot charts on the team, not fully in regards to his role.
When it comes to shots:
Steph
Klay
Lee
Iggy
then Barnes

Please correct me if I am wrong. Just going by the stats and shot charts.

In a league where Jeff Green averages 17 a night, I have no doubt that Barnes is better than him and could put in 20 on a bad team like Charlotte.

I can't compare the two but with that said, you do have some suspect offensive performances in the East with guys like Glen Davis, Jeff Green, Avery Bradley so with that said, maybe your right

That doesn't mean he will be efficient, let's remember the Bobcats are horrible offensively with or without Barnes and GS had 47 wins with Barnes being a net negative last year as well as this year.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Jeff Green is averaging 17 a game breh, Jeff Green.

Barnes is much more capable offensively than him.

Breh are you talking about the same Jeff Green who put 43 on the Heat?

 

[Malta]

Breh are you talking about the same Jeff Green who put 43 on the Heat?

Yes, the same Jeff Green that poured in 2 pts against the Wolves.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yes, the same Jeff Green that poured in 2 pts against the Wolves.

Oh no doubt about it, he isn't the most consistent type nor is he the most aggressive scorer either. But to say Barnes is more capable offensively is status. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Green, but right now Jeff has a superior offensive skillset.

 

[No Homo]

Oh no doubt about it, he isn't the most consistent type nor is he the most aggressive scorer either. But to say Barnes is more capable offensively is status. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Green, but right now Jeff has a superior offensive skillset.

We all still waiting for Jeff Greens breakout year

Gimmie Barnes over both.

 

[Malta]

Oh no doubt about it, he isn't the most consistent type nor is he the most aggressive scorer either. But to say Barnes is more capable offensively is status. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Green, but right now Jeff has a superior offensive skillset.

Barnes is more capable, that mid-post game is going to be what separates him from a lot of other players.

Green is inconsistent because so much of what he does is reliant on whether or not he's hitting the 3 that game or not. If he's hitting the 3 then everything opens up for him, if he's not then you're looking at a pretty shytty offensive player.

 

[#1 pick]

Is it right for both @Gil Scott-Heroin and @Malta to be completely on point.

 

[AlldayNE]

Barnes is more capable, that mid-post game is going to be what separates him from a lot of other players.

Green is inconsistent because so much of what he does is reliant on whether or not he's hitting the 3 that game or not. If he's hitting the 3 then everything opens up for him, if he's not then you're looking at a pretty shytty offensive player.

Green can get in the lane whenever he wants, not many SFs in the league can match up with his size to keep him from doing so. Problem with him is whether or not he settles for the 3 and it doesn't fall.

As for the MKG or Barnes debate... I honestly feel like Barnes has more tools to become the better player over time. I felt like Barnes should have been the 2nd pick in that draft. MKG has upside but his jumpshot is what keeps him from being effective, not his teammates. It's very easy to guard someone who simply cannot shoot.