Who Stops a ‘Bad Guy With a Gun’?

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@BelowTheMasonDixon respectfully breh you are confusing the shyt out of me :gucci:. Please clearly state where you fall on this matter.

Where did I get you confused breh? The thread is titled a "good guy" with a gun and goes on to talk about the less the effective results against "bad guys" with guns. My point is, the study has several biases. No a "good guy with a gun" probably isn't going to stop a Columbine or a UVale type mass shooting because they are only carrying CC type shyt. so that's unfair. If some a$$hole runs up in a school with an AR 15 then no, chances are somebody carrying a 380 wont stop them, they are severely outgunned. BUT if we were to look at situations were the playing field is equal I firmly believe a "Good guy" with a gun can reverse the situation. Such that has been seen in Family Dollars or Convenience Stores, Gas Stations etc...
 

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LOL, who brought up that narrative tho? That's what I'm saying. It ain't like legal gun owners came together and marched on the "Good guys" with guns ticket. or debate. Its usually brought up after a mass shooting by people who don't like guns.


The "Good Guy with a Gun" narrative is literally the creation of the NRA in response to mass shootings. NRA President Wayne LaPierre has been pushing the phrase for a decade. :dahell:







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No it's the wild wild west when laws arent keeping gun violence in check and innocent bystanders are damsels in distress hoping for some hero to magically be standing by to shoot the dastardly evil doer before harm is done

What laws do you want to see handed down that would prevent criminals from doing crime? The book of law is literally filled with them.
 

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What laws do you want to see handed down that would prevent criminals from doing crime? The book of law is literally filled with them.

In a perfect world theres no need for guns at all.

Laws I "want" to see would be challenged and shot down by this SCOTUS

To get laws on the books that are actually realistic with the current landscape of the country they would have to be so limited in scope that they would be largely ineffective

The GOP is not willing to negotiate in any significant way

I do strongly believe that more guns is not the answer though
 

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What laws do you want to see handed down that would prevent criminals from doing crime? The book of law is literally filled with them.

I would like to see universal background checks for all gun transfers, so plausible deniability can't be used to block virtually all black market gun trafficking and straw purchase cases.

I would like to see guns registered across the board and a requirement that stolen guns be reported, so that there's no backdoor to the illegal gun transfers and "oh it was stolen" can't be used after-the-fact to hide illegal gun transfers to criminals anymore.

Those requirements would also allow LE to see exactly who was funneling the guns to violent criminals, cause we all know full well there's a limited # of sources supply a hell of a lot of those guns.

I would like to see guns licenses for first-time gun buyers to verify that they are legally valid to own a gun, and a 30-day waiting period on those gun licenses to give time for full background checks including at least two references who know the person well (which allows red flags because a lot of people close to these mass shooter or suicidal perps are going to throw up huge red flags if they know the guy is buying guns all of the sudden). And if you commit a violent felony, have a domestic violence issue, or have a mental health issue that would cause your ability to own a gun end, you have surrender that license. That also allows for a 30-day cool-down time so crimes of passion and sort-term suicidal persons are less likely to get that gun into their hand at the wrong time.

I would like to see a 21yo age limit on gun purchases so that an actual adult is responsible every time a gun is put into the hands of a minor. If they can't handle their alcohol, why do we think they can handle a gun? A hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime is committed by men under 21.

And I would like to see some sort of serious restrictions on melee weapons that make it easy for people with minimal gun experience to outgun virtually everyone around them.
 

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I would like to see universal background checks for all gun transfers, so plausible deniability can't be used to block virtually all black market gun trafficking and straw purchase cases.

I would like to see guns registered across the board and a requirement that stolen guns be reported, so that there's no backdoor to the illegal gun transfers and "oh it was stolen" can't be used after-the-fact to hide illegal gun transfers to criminals anymore.

Those requirements would also allow LE to see exactly who was funneling the guns to violent criminals, cause we all know full well there's a limited # of sources supply a hell of a lot of those guns.

I would like to see guns licenses for first-time gun buyers to verify that they are legally valid to own a gun, and a 30-day waiting period on those gun licenses to give time for full background checks including at least two references who know the person well (which allows red flags because a lot of people close to these mass shooter or suicidal perps are going to throw up huge red flags if they know the guy is buying guns all of the sudden). And if you commit a violent felony, have a domestic violence issue, or have a mental health issue that would cause your ability to own a gun end, you have surrender that license. That also allows for a 30-day cool-down time so crimes of passion and sort-term suicidal persons are less likely to get that gun into their hand at the wrong time.

I would like to see a 21yo age limit on gun purchases so that an actual adult is responsible every time a gun is put into the hands of a minor. If they can't handle their alcohol, why do we think they can handle a gun? A hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime is committed by men under 21.

And I would like to see some sort of serious restrictions on melee weapons that make it easy for people with minimal gun experience to outgun virtually everyone around them.

What about rather than an age limit of 21, someone has to have their own health insurance (26 or 27), or their name on a lease or mortgage, or their name on a car note or registration.

Maturity at 21 is arbitrary. People do dumb shyt at all ages. I'd trust someone who is 20 years old but has other signs of responsibility and something to lose over a 25 year old who has nothing to their name and is still in their mothers basement :hubie:

I get this punishes poor people so there would have to be a counter measure in play to address that theoretically
 

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What about rather than an age limit of 21, someone has to have their own health insurance (26 or 27), or their name on a lease or mortgage, or their name on a car note or registration.

Maturity at 21 is arbitrary. People do dumb shyt at all ages. I'd trust someone who is 20 years old but has other signs of responsibility and something to lose over a 25 year old who has nothing to their name and is still in their mothers basement :hubie:

I get this punishes poor people so there would have to be a counter measure in play to address that theoretically


I get the idea but like you say, it creates a financial test that I don't fukk with.
 

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I get the idea but like you say, it creates a financial test that I don't fukk with.

I just dont think theres much of a maturity difference between and 18 and 21 year old on average. In some instances mental conditions may have worsened in that time span and have not been treated.

Most experts say a brain is fully developed at age 25. Make the age limit 25 then
 
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