Who should be the villain in the next Spidey movie (Spoilers!)?

[MartyMcFly]

A "Friendly neighborhood Spiderman" seems to be a recurring theme in the movies. If Kingpin is a mob boss, they would inevitably cross paths.

Kraven is good onto his own in the comics, but...and it's been awhile since I've read anything in the comics, but I don't think his menace "alone" translates well to the movie screen.

And for that matter, neither does Kingpin...but both...

I simply thought a team up or a partnership would be epic for a Spiderman movie.

I feel that. But these movies all operate on a cause and effect. The avengers happened (cause) vulture was the effect. Tony’s actions caused Mysterio. So now that peter is a wanted criminal and his ID is out to the world, what’s the effect? Kingpin has no need to go after him because he hasn’t messed with anything kingpin has done. He’s spent most of his time dealing with big time threats: Thanos, the civil war, Mysterio. Vulture is the only thing he did in New York. Kingpin is the type to only get involved with you when you involve yourself with him. He doesn’t draw attention to himself.

 

[acri1]

I feel that. But these movies all operate on a cause and effect. The avengers happened (cause) vulture was the effect. Tony’s actions caused Mysterio. So now that peter is a wanted criminal and his ID is out to the world, what’s the effect? Kingpin has no need to go after him because he hasn’t messed with anything kingpin has done. He’s spent most of his time dealing with big time threats: Thanos, the civil war, Mysterio. Vulture is the only thing he did in New York. Kingpin is the type to only get involved with you when you involve yourself with him. He doesn’t draw attention to himself.

They could always go with the "Previous villains owed Kingpin a lot of money and now he can't collect, so he's mad at Spidey" motive.

Maybe a little petty, but it's not like other villains haven't been.

 

[MartyMcFly]

They could always go with the "Previous villains owed Kingpin a lot of money and now he can't collect, so he's mad at Spidey" motive.

Maybe a little petty, but it's not like other villains haven't been.

It’s possible. It’s a stretch. But then you’re getting into a Spectre like retconning where this one figure was working behind the scenes the entire time and pulling strings. Which is different than what they did here because these were low level guys who had an axe to grind. That’s easier to believe than us just not mentioning the biggest crime lord in the city was taxing vulture, a man who appeared to be his own boss and made no mention of anyone being above him and doesn’t seem like the type to work for anyone else

 

[dakidbanks]

For everyone saying Kingpin, for 1, you have to establish how he got out of jail though because like it or not and rather they want to admit it or not, the Netflix series are in this universe and he was last seen in jail.

They could always pull what they always do and have him escape all charges. Him being the 1 to hire someone catch Spidey would be perfect because he’d be wanting to redeem himself in the public eye..... you could have him hire Kraven... although I’m not sure if Kraven is available because Sony has those rights.... or do Smythe like the 90s cartoon

Matt Murdock has a vendetta against Kingpin and could be PP’s lawyer. I know it ain’t gon happen but they could even do a quick fan service where Punisher is trying to catch Spidey too. Basically John Wick 3. Matt would ultimately convince Frank otherwise that PP is innocent.... in this way you could wrap up/establish the Frank/Matt/Fisk arc from Netflix in the movies.... yet Kraven or Smythe is still the main one on the hunt.

Scorpion could be a minor villain, but use him and Vulture to plant seeds for the sinister 6. Vulture currently has no real quarrel so you’d have to establish why he’d want to get involved again.

JJJ would feature prominently posting viral updates of Spidey on the run and those who tried to help him

3 post credits scenes:

1st mid scene is Peter and the crew graduating high school. Right after he walks the stage, he meets the REAL Nick Fury who congratulates him and says he needs him ASAP setting up his appearance in either a Secret Wars movie or New Avengers movie

2nd scene is the reveal of the man who helped Fisk get out of jail in the first place behind the scenes with money and politics - Norman Osborn

Post credits scene shows a scientist examining the Spider slayer technology... the face is shown but the name tag revealed says Dr. Octavius... planting even more seeds for the sinister 6.

Make Spidey’s 3 college films be vs Sinister Six... then versus Venom/Carnage if possible.... then the Goblin who kills MJ in that 6th film

EDIT/UPDATE: got another idea

The 3 college movies should go like this.. the first movie is him vs the sinister 6.... the 2nd movie is them somehow crossing him over with venom and carnage.... the 3rd movie is against the green Goblin where Goblin terrorize the college campus tryna kill Peter. During the college years, you introduce Harry Osborn. MJ get killed by the Goblin on the Brooklyn bridge. Peter nearly kill Norman but doesn’t. He beat Norman but somehow nobody finds out he was the Goblin cuz he frame it on his own son Harry. After this, no more green Goblin. In the adult Spider-Man movies, Norman will slowly become the Iron Patriot once it’s the 10 year anniversary of Iron Man death to piss Peter off

 

[Vandelay]

I feel that. But these movies all operate on a cause and effect. The avengers happened (cause) vulture was the effect. Tony’s actions caused Mysterio. So now that peter is a wanted criminal and his ID is out to the world, what’s the effect? Kingpin has no need to go after him because he hasn’t messed with anything kingpin has done. He’s spent most of his time dealing with big time threats: Thanos, the civil war, Mysterio. Vulture is the only thing he did in New York. Kingpin is the type to only get involved with you when you involve yourself with him. He doesn’t draw attention to himself.

I get you and I can see it. However, using your logic what would Kraven's ultimate motive be? It can't simply be he wants to take down Spider-Man because he's a threat to society. Every villain with this cause and effect had ulterior more sinister motives. What would Kraven's be other than to bring down Spider-Man who we ultimately know will be proven to redeem himself as the good guy.

I don't want to relegate Kraven simply to Kingpin's henchman, but it would be easier to write the story to their partnership then to have Kraven operating on his own. Hell, Kraven can operate in multiple movies independently using my logic. I could easily see him making an appearance in Black Panther, Black Widow, whatever they have planned for Hawkeye.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I get you and I can see it. However, using your logic what would Kraven's ultimate motive be? It can't simply be he wants to take down Spider-Man because he's a threat to society. Every villain with this cause and effect had ulterior more sinister motives. What would Kraven's be other than to bring down Spider-Man who we ultimately know will be proven to redeem himself as the good guy.

I don't want to relegate Kraven simply to Kingpin's henchman, but it would be easier to write the story to their partnership then to have Kraven operating on his own. Hell, Kraven can operate in multiple movies independently using my logic. I could easily see him making an appearance in Black Panther, Black Widow, whatever they have planned for Hawkeye.

It’s the hunt. Spider-Man announcing himself to the world makes him open prey. And kraven has always been about hunting prey and proving he’s the true alpha. And like I said, you make an allusion to JJ creating scorpion to kill Spider-Man by trading kraven for scorpion. JJ hires him or bankrolls him or just becomes his cheerleader. He’s always had some sort of bankroll for his endeavors. Even recently, he had Arcade help him torment Spider-Man

 

[Vandelay]

It’s the hunt. Spider-Man announcing himself to the world makes him open prey. And kraven has always been about hunting prey and proving he’s the true alpha. And like I said, you make an allusion to JJ creating scorpion to kill Spider-Man by trading kraven for scorpion. JJ hires him or bankrolls him or just becomes his cheerleader. He’s always had some sort of bankroll for his endeavors. Even recently, he had Arcade help him torment Spider-Man

And the bolded is why I don't think him alone would be great "alone"... "in this universe". There was always some tie to the Avengers/Chitauri or Tony Stark and Iron-Man with this crop of villains to add to the scale of the threat.

By no means am I saying he can't be a great villain, I'm saying I don't think he would be the draw to casual fans/movie goers. I mean it's spider-man so it's going to make doe...but in this MCU, they either villains to other movies, or they team them up to add to scale.

1. Vulture/Chitauri/Avengers 1 (story arc)
2. Mysterio/Tony Stark/Ironman (story arc)
3. Whiplash/Justin Hammer (team up)
4. Mandarin/Killian (team up)
5. Hela/Surtur (team up)
6. winter soldier/Pierce/crossbones (team up)
7. Ultron/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch (team up)
8. Killmonger/Klaue (team up and story arc)

You can literally do this for every MCU movie. I just don't see Kraven being alone.

If Kraven was the Killmonger to Kingpin or JJJ's Klaue, then perhaps I could see it.

 

[MartyMcFly]

And the bolded is why I don't think him alone would be great "alone"... "in this universe". There was always some tie to the Avengers/Chitauri or Tony Stark and Iron-Man with this crop of villains to add to the scale of the threat.

By no means am I saying he can't be a great villain, I'm saying I don't think he would be the draw to casual fans/movie goers. I mean it's spider-man so it's going to make doe...but in this MCU, they either villains to other movies, or they team them up to add to scale.

1. Vulture/Chitauri/Avengers 1 (story arc)
2. Mysterio/Tony Stark/Ironman (story arc)
3. Whiplash/Justin Hammer (team up)
4. Mandarin/Killian (team up)
5. Hela/Surtur (team up)
6. winter soldier/Pierce/crossbones (team up)
7. Ultron/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch (team up)
8. Killmonger/Klaue (team up and story arc)

You can literally do this for every MCU movie. I just don't see Kraven being alone.

If Kraven was the Killmonger to Kingpin or JJJ's Klaue, then perhaps I could see it.

Feige said there’s no more ties to tony after this one. At least as far as Spider-Man is concerned. That’s it. So whomever peter deals with next will be purely because of peter

Vulture isn’t a draw for casual moviegoers either. Neither is Mysterio. The big hitters for casual moviegoers have already been done. So you gotta pull from people who aren’t big names and make them big

 

[Still FloW]

Fukk are you talking about? I ain't no marvel stan, I actually think the marvel fan boying around here gets out of hand sometimes and How is morbius on the same level as venom when audiences probably dont even know who he is

did anyone know who antman or guardians of the galaxy where ?? yet here we are they made bank.. Stop acting liike the general audience are these comic deep reading zealots.. they're all stupid sheep who'll pretend to be down with the wave if a product is good enough

 

[richaveli83]

Kraven and maybe some other villains hunting Peter down. Have someone like Kingpin, Silvermane, or Hammerhead put a bounty on Spider-Man. They could be like a wealthy "concerned citizen who doesn't want a menace plaguing our city."

 

[MartyMcFly]

did anyone know who antman or guardians of the galaxy where ?? yet here we are they made bank.. Stop acting liike the general audience are these comic deep reading zealots.. they're all stupid sheep who'll pretend to be down with the wave if a product is good enough

Normal invective aside, lol he’s right. To act as if people need someone they recognize to see these movies now is old thinking. Guardians, possibly the most obscure property on their books, got people into the theaters and didn’t have a hook of a hero or a villain people knew.

 

[OmegaK2099]

Would we even want a morbius movie to be a success? As much money as venom made, theirs no denying it was a shytty ass movie why the hell would we want more?

 

[MartyMcFly]

Would we even want a morbius movie to be a success? As much money as venom made, theirs no denying it was a shytty ass movie why the hell would we want more?

Because while you or a large group of people think it’s shytty, an even bigger group of people disagree. A morbius movie could be the same thing or be better or be worse. But ultimately, the masses decide

 

[Big Boss]

Kraven. He’s a villain we haven’t seen on screen, he’s compelling, and story wise he already fits in. If you’re starting the movie with Spider-Man as a wanted criminal and someone believed to be responsible for a drone attack on an entire city, that means it’s open season on his head. And someone has to collect. That opens the door for kraven to be that guy. He’s seen this “spider” on tv and believes he can take him down.

And if you want to give a shout-out to the comics, you can have JJ be the one to hire him just like JJ created scorpion in order to kill Spider-Man.

Kingpin would be ok but story wise I don’t see how he fits. Same with the big man, who is actually the person I want to see. Spider-Man hasn’t affected their “business” yet since we haven’t seen him do a thing about organized crime in New York yet. So there’s no reason for them to go after him. Kraven lives for the hunt tho and truly believes in the hunt at all costs. So even when he finds out the truth, it won’t matter. He’ll still go after peter

 

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

Scorpion kingpin JJJ

Make it so Kingpin is owner of Daily Bugle.net and pushes propaganda for his own personal interest. JJJ is well paid conservative mouthpiece.

Kingpin uses Spidey framing as opportunity to create his own hero (Scorpion, with vulture help ) to win hearts of NY and take Spidey place. As well as take heat off illegal operations Fisk has been running.

Uses Dailey bugle to spew fake news about Spidey and frame scorpion as hero. Spidey must work to protect love ones while clearing his name and exposing scoprion jjj and kingpin.

Vulture in the back ground using Fisk tec/resources to create beginnings of what will become sinister 6 in future film(s) unbeknownst to Spidey and Fisk.

Spidey beats scorpion, Fisk loses fight but flees final fight with help from unknown Ally.

JJJ is exposed as pushing fake news and credibility in question, makes ppl second guest Mysterio footage and PP reveal. All is somewhay well. JJJ is official nutso conspiracy status and loathes Spidey but gains cult.following. avid follower and STAN of JJJ, Eddie Brock, now hates Spiderman and still believes PP is Spidey.

End credits: Vulture Mysterio Shocker break out Scoprion from Ravencroft and escape in FISK plane. Spidey swings in to stop it but can't, sees all 5 villian fly off. Cue
Moment.

They literally just went with the "Villain as a fake hero" angle, so why tread there again immediately afterwards.