steph_harden
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AD has gives you more production than almost any PF in history of the league. How is he not top 5
Who is the most overrated NBA player ?
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AD has gives you more production than almost any PF in history of the league. How is he not top 5
Trot LaRoc
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Fukk a regular season
Toronto stayed choking in the playoffs until KL came. He was the one making big shots against Philly and Milwaukee. DeRozan and Lowry stayed missing pressure shots when it counted. Kawhi didnt get consistent help until the Finals
I agree its too soon to talk all time but he is a top 5 player right NOW
AD is great but as a big....he is still dependent on others to get him the ball which limits his true impact. Wings are way more impactful than bigs in todays league
O.iatlhawksfan
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Cuz he never led the Pels to shyt and he’s injury prone. Those stats hold no weight. Let give Kevin Love a MVP if stats on losing teams is so importantAD has gives you more production than almost any PF in history of the league. How is he not top 5
Dallas' 4 Eva
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Kawhi Leonard is 28 bro. He is a 2x champ, 2x Finals MVP, 2x defensive player of the year, 3x all star, 3 time all nba, 5 time all nba defense, made the rookie first team, and led the league in steals, with a legendary playoff run under his belt. He could retire right now and would still make the hall of fame(not first ballot but would get in eventually), and he is only 28 bro. How many players had that kind of resume at 28?
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The_Third_Man
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no such a thing as overrated (active) player anymore. they all get hated on.
Jayson Tatum after that 2018 playoff run he was crowned too early. He was worse than his rookie season last year, and still has a weak handle
Def LeBron easily.
Just an opinion let's not dive into it
Hell no. Wall wasn't a great shooter, but he was the fastest player in the league, a top 3-5 passer, and elevated his game in the playoffs. In no way shape or form is he the most overrated player in the league. He good for 26/10 in the playoffs with scrubs. I take a healthy Wall over Lillard any day.The most overrated player is Ben Simmons, Westbrook, or Tatum.
Westbrook dont belong in the same sentence as Ben or Tatum
The most overrated player is Ben Simmons, Westbrook, or Tatum.
Gordon Hayward
Fukk a regular season
Toronto stayed choking in the playoffs until KL came. He was the one making big shots against Philly and Milwaukee. DeRozan and Lowry stayed missing pressure shots when it counted. Kawhi didnt get consistent help until the Finals
I agree its too soon to talk all time but he is a top 5 player right NOW
AD is great but as a big....he is still dependent on others to get him the ball which limits his true impact. Wings are way more impactful than bigs in todays league
My point is that other players aren't so fortunate to have a team capable of winning when they miss so much time. The Lakers were 9-18 without LeBron this year, for example. Kawhi's support being strong allowed him to take care of his body without feeling the need to rush himself back from injury. They got HCA in the Finals despite their best player missing 22 games in the RS.
DeRozan was an issue for Toronto and Kawhi replacing him was huge. That allowed Lowry to scale back his scoring responsibility. I agree there. But the Raptors also promoted Nick Nurse over Casey, traded for Marc Gasol who replaced a very limited center in Val, traded for Danny Green with Kawhi, and then Pascal came into his own as a strong two way supporting player. So this wasn't the same Raptors team as seasons before.
Kawhi did have consistent help in the playoffs defensively. Like I said, an entire rotation of good-great defenders. Zero weak links. They could even roll out two point guards together and hold up defensively b/c FVV and Lowry are very strong for their size.
Kawhi didn't get consistent offensive help in only one series - the semifinals, and again as much as they struggled to shoot the Raps were great defensively around Leonard. He had nothing to do with Marc Gasol putting Embiid in a straitjacket. The way people talk about Kawhi's playoff run you'd think he was 2001 Allen Iverson playing with Aaron Mckie as his #2 option when in reality his support was some of the best a player has ever had without a clear cut star next to them.
Offensively it is harder for Davis to initiate offense than a wing. but he is still a dominant scorer in a primary role and we saw him average 30 at age 21 against the Warriors in the playoffs with his best playmaker being Tyreke Evans. It's really not that hard to get him the ball, and he'd definitely thrive with Lowry/FVV/Siakam/Marc around him to do so. Kawhi isn't a very strong playmaker, so he doesn't have the advantage over Davis that LeBron, Curry, Harden do as offensive intiators. Defensively Davis is more influential than Kawhi because of his presence as a help defender. There's no real scenario where his team can have a great defensive series without him being a major factor in it happening, unlike Kawhi in the Finals who wasn't even assigned to Draymond, Klay or Curry primarily (he stuck on Iguodala more often than not). The argument for Davis is in his superior defensive value while still being a great offensive anchor, even if more limited as a creator.
I agree he's top five. Just not that he's in some tier above where Davis is.
Not questioning his hall of fame candidacy. It's using all of those accolades with zero context to argue him over players with less impressive resumes. You could easily argue Kawhi wasn't the best defender in the league in either year he won DPOY and championships are a team accomplishment. You usually do need a superstar level player to get one, but you don't need the absolute best player in the league for such to be the case. The problem is when we assume the guy who got the title is the best.
