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Who is more to blame for America's declining status in education?
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The question was who is more responsible for it.
If it was amazing govt. would deserve the credit, if it sux they deserve the blame.
I didnt even bash socialism
The governments that have the most impact on schools are local (districts) and state governments and not the Federal government. It's why public schools in wealthy areas do better than public schools in poorer areas.
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Maybe because America's government is far too fukked up to effectively implement social policies?
Too fukked up or is it done intentionally? I'm going to go with 75% the second, and 25% the first option.
Public schools in wealthy, urban areas do just fine when compared to the rest of the world. Only inner-city schools and rural schools run into most issues. That tells me that there is some classism at play.
Could be entirely different social factors at play, such as having two parents of professionals vs a working class single parent with two jobs, whom is physically unable or too exhausted to attend these conferences...
If it's done intentionally I guess I would argue that's even more fukked up than run-of-the-mill incompetence.
Good point, but 9 times out of 10 attempts to conference over the phone, or make contact through email are equally futile.
When the institution is ran by the govt. its easy...
I cant imagine handing something over to some one to run and then not holding them responsible when it slowly goes to shyt under their care....
Government isn't a person that schools were "handed to" to run, it's a concept. Furthermore to blame "government" for an issue is vague and almost always an oversimplification of things.
It would be like me (as someone who works in IT) running across a computer (with Windows installed) that's running slowly and immediately blaming Windows and trying to convince the user to switch to a Mac. The real issue could be caused any number of things (malware, shytty software hogging too much CPU/RAM, not enough memory, bad memory, too many programs running at once, bad hard drive, registry issues, bad hardware drivers, etc.) but the Libertarian position would be to immediately assume that Windows is the cause (regardless of Windows running fine for many other people) and immediately advocating a different (and untested) OS, with little evidence that it would even meet the users needs.
Not sure if that's a good analogy or not but hopefully that makes sense.
Point is, mindlessly blaming "government" oversimplifies things and is an easy way out of actually giving serious thought to issues.
I witnessed this for 5 years with my own eyes except it wasn't urban. The education/resources/environment is much better than even a mixed income school, so just imagine the disparity when you put a public school in a poor, urban area.
@Shogun What do you think about this:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/south-l-a-student-finds-a-different-world-at-cal-uc-berkeley.139025/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/south-l-a-student-finds-a-different-world-at-cal-uc-berkeley.139025/
Dept. of Education then.
The point is, the state is responsible for education in this country, period. The actors involved are not as big a part as you think.
In countries where the state is doing a good job, the state gets the credit for that too.
What exactly do you disagree with? what exactly do you find mindless? or are you just
for the state?While there at it could they teach us more real stuff
I'm 4 pages into a 10 page paper I gotta write tonight
I'll read through that thread tomorrow.
Thanks for link, breh.
I don't know if I would go with intentionally as I think its just a pattern of what is familiar. Areas that do well continue to do well. Those parents know the formula, know the system. Its not that others don't want to do well, or that there is some culture of failure, but there is less knowledge of exactly what it takes. Its like having bad coaching your whole life. You might get through on ability alone, but without that knowledge of a good coach(family, peers, etc), it makes consistency much harder to achieve. This can be worked around with hard discipline, but you're talking about a huge percentage of the public in the US being educated compared to pretty anywhere outside of Europe. You're going to have a variety of attitudes and behaviors. But the idea that the US is poor academically is just simply an incorrect one,
On the subject of intentional, i think the leadership because the parental and peer level is often poor and about things beyond academics/sports/art that schools can produce. I hate to see the leadership here in Dallas fighting about the wrong things and trying to maintain their seats on school boards, while the area I live in has created their own defacto leadership council and have created great results. Lots of good "coaches" around that are less concerned about the political.
Dept. of Education then.
The point is, the state is responsible for education in this country, period. The actors involved are not as big a part as you think.
In countries where the state is doing a good job, the state gets the credit for that too.
What exactly do you disagree with? what exactly do you find mindless? or are you just
Which part of the "state" are you blaming? Just the Federal government? State government? Local government? The latter two play a bigger role in how schools are run then the feds.
Furthermore just mindlessly blaming the government doesn't actually address any root causes of the issue. What exactly is it that's causing students to perform poorly and how is "government" to blame? What specific actions is the government taking that contribute to the issue? Why isn't it happening in other countries? How exactly would privatizing schools fix the issue, and how do you know the results would be different?
Simply saying "I blame da gubment" and leaving it at that is a cop-out and doesn't actually explain anything. Like I said, it's a way to avoid thinking about issues in any detail.