Who is african American greatest leader ever

[jackson35]

read my above post

delany has never a movement or organization that galvanize the black race the way unia did. what did his movement do?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

delany has never a movement or organization that galvanize the black race the way unia did. what did his movement do?

he came earlier and gave garvey, as one of the pioneering aframs, a style to run with

 

[K.O.N.Y]

But MLK's greatness is attached to voting rights and integration. But both came at the expense of more disenfranchisement, destruction of black family structure, elevation of other groups like Jews and white women, a dearth of black economics and mass incarceration etc. And he never left any structure or ideological base behind for others to build on - apart from the elements who assimilated into NAACP (Dubois et al actually started NAACP) and clowns like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. And NAACP is more of a Jewish organization than a black one.

However, Garvey preached and executed black economics/empowerment - without trading anything in return.

Not taking anything away from MLK. He did what he thought was right at the time. And I respect those who see him as the greatest leader. But in hindsight, some might just think it's not worth it. When you trade everything away just to sit around cacs and be able to vote in a rigged system, where leaders are selected - not elected - then you have to start questioning the rationale behind such a decision.

check @KidStranglehold post earlier in this thread

More than enough to prove mlk did tangible things that helped and influenced AA's

like stated before garveys empowerment and stance was better suited for the country he left behind or any other predominately black nation

 

[IllmaticDelta]

W.E.B. said a lot of c00n shyt about Garvey.

and garvey was talking down on mixed types/anti-mulatto in some ways while having a mixed wife

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Because even as a c00n he was more fit to lead America than the average white man. Cacs knew this, and as usual, their fear got the better of them so they blew his brains out.

MLK Jr locked us in with our enemy whilst we had a real opputunity to separate, get reparations and shape our own destiny under all black leadership.

Here we go with the coli notion that MLK was a c00n again

 

[yardman]

and garvey was talking down on mixed types/anti-mulatto in some ways while having a mixed wife

She was a 1/4 white along with not following the mold of "brown" class of people of Jamaica. Hypocritical nonetheless.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Cacs wouldnt claim to love MLK Jr. so much if he was truly AA greatest leader.

...if anything King was a bigger threat to racist cacs because not only was he reaching black people he was converting whites and getting them to ride for his cause and nothing hurts/annoys a white racist more than a white "nikka lover"

 

[IllmaticDelta]

But how does that negate his greatness since everyone on the list expanded on what others pioneered?

Im not downing him Im just saying he didn't bring bring these concepts to AfroAmerica, if anything he picked them up from AfroAmerica

garvey inspired black men to build black school for black people. garvey inspired black people to do business and invest in black people. garvey inspired black women to get into the nursing trade..

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[BlackStarLine]

Garvey even though he is not AA by technicality. My username is inspired by him.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Who u think it was. Me personally Malcolm x

Muammar Gaddafi


Most importantly are the plans he had for Libya and a United States of Africa and the support he gave liberation groups

 

[SubZero]

Im not downing him Im just saying he didn't bring bring these concepts to AfroAmerica, if anything he picked them up from AfroAmerica

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I don't think anyone on the thread posited that he brought the idea to AAs and in my first post, I did reference the pockets of AAs who already had the idea, but never attained the followership that Garvey commanded. And I believe this thread is about leadership - not ideas.

Elijah Muhammad also had the idea but Nation of Islam never blossomed until after Malcolm X. But does that take anything away from Malcolm X?

Ideas die everyday on these streets, breh.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Rastafarianism started in the 30s. Garvey was already a global icon in the 20s. Do the math.

And the rise of the Moorish Temple didn't start until the late 20s, to the 30s.

I'm not talking about the Rastafarian movement as I not well informed on it and not equipped to argue on it. I'm talking about the Moorish Temple influence on the NOI which is very real. Many on this thread were arguing that if it wasn't for Garvey there wouldn't be a NOI which is extremely false. If anything the NOI were more influenced by the Moorish Temple than Garvey.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

...if anything King was a bigger threat to racist cacs because not only was he reaching black people he was converting whites and getting them to ride for his cause and nothing hurts/annoys a white racist more than a white "nikka lover"

Not only that but he was reaching NATIONAL levels with Presidents whereas the NOI and X did not go that far(as far as I can remember). If King would have lived longer he could have possibly branched out internationally.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't think anyone on the thread posited that he brought the idea to AAs

actually someone did try to imply it

and in my first post, I did reference the pockets of AAs who already had the idea, but never attained the followership that Garvey commanded. And I believe this thread is about leadership - not ideas.

in AfroAmerica there were numerous people scattered around the USA with similar and different ideas where the various communities followed these ideas (black wall street(s) and mound bayou for example)

Elijah Muhammad also had the idea but Nation of Islam never blossomed until after Malcolm X. But does that take anything away from Malcolm X?

NOI had followers and flourished before Malcolm but yes, he made it bigger

Ideas die everyday on these streets, breh.

yeah but these ideas were actually put into play and flourished before garvey came along

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Muammar Gaddafi


Most importantly are the plans he had for Libya and a United States of Africa and the support he gave liberation groups

do you people not see the AFRICAN AMERICAN part in the title