Who is african American greatest leader ever

[Bawon Samedi]

do you people not see the AFRICAN AMERICAN part in the title

 

[jackson35]

why won't you cowards pair Adam Clayton Powell leader ship against king

 

[K.O.N.Y]

why won't you cowards pair Adam Clayton Powell leader ship against king

How is anyone being a coward in this thread. We've been comparing king to a lot of people in this thread,explain?

 

[Micron]

When talking about African American leaders, Marcus Garvey does deserve mention. Garvey deserves consideration for what he and his Black Star Line represented to Black people at that time. In an era where Black men where lynched at record highs, he had the nerve to say that Black men were the superior ones. That took a lot of doing. It is worth noting that Black leaders at the time were not fond of Garvey, and is wasn't merely because of J.Edgar Hoover and COINTELPRO tactics. They all knew he had the gift of gab, but didn't believe his long term plans were viable.

The choice of people for the list is very telling. As are the individual choices of people, and their justifications. A lot of people do not appear to know detailed history of the Civil Rights movements, there is a lot of second and third hand information presented here. FYI, in addition to well known assassinations, like King, Shabazz, and Evers, there were attempts on Garvey and Randolph.

It is a shame that Muhammad Ali gets a spot on this list but no one mentions A. Philip Randolph, Fannie Lou Hamer, Shirley Chisholm, or Whitney Young. If people are going to put Ali on the list, they may as well put Nat Turner on there. Regardless it simply goes to show how many unsung Black heroes there are due to their absence in movies and high school history books.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

When talking about African American leaders, Marcus Garvey does deserve mention. Garvey deserves consideration for what he and his Black Star Line represented to Black people at that time. In an era where Black men where lynched at record highs, he had the nerve to say that Black men were the superior ones. That took a lot of doing. It is worth noting that Black leaders at the time were not fond of Garvey, and is wasn't merely because of J.Edgar Hoover and COINTELPRO tactics. They all knew he had the gift of gab, but didn't believe his long term plans were viable.

The choice of people for the list is very telling. As are the individual choices of people, and their justifications. A lot of people do not appear to know detailed history of the Civil Rights movements, there is a lot of second and third hand information presented here. FYI, in addition to well known assassinations, like King, Shabazz, and Evers, there were attempts on Garvey and Randolph.

It is a shame that Muhammad Ali gets a spot on this list but no one mentions A. Philip Randolph, Fannie Lou Hamer, Shirley Chisholm, or Whitney Young. If people are going to put Ali on the list, they may as well put Nat Turner on there. Regardless it simply goes to show how many unsung Black heroes there are due to their absence in movies and high school history books.

did you not read a any of what I posted? Aframs were on record, with the black superiority/supremacist views since the 1800s

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Lets keep this all the way 100.
The majority of people voting for marcus garvey are caribbeans or Caribbean-americans who like the idea of marcus garvey having a moses like impact on African americans.

they have no interest in connecting with us they only want to leach off us

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lets keep this all the way 100.
The majority of people voting for marcus garvey are caribbeans or Caribbean-americans who like the idea of marcus garvey having a moses like impact on African americans.

they have no interest in connecting with us they only want to leach off us

 

[Micron]

did you not read a any of what I posted? Aframs were on record, with the black superiority/supremacist views since the 1800s

To be honest, I did not. Thanks for posting it. While I am familiar with Drew Ai I did not know about Walker's Appeal.

What you posted does not make what I wrote about Garvey any less valid. I do not support the notion that Marcus Garvey is the greatest Afram leader ever. I support that he does merit consideration. It is not a question of him inventing Black Superiority ideology, which he did not do. It is a question of him being vocal about it during the Jim Crow era, where lynching was disturbingly prevalent, laws were being set in place to legalize segregation, and a majority of the African American leaders at the time(excluding some like Drew Ali) were largely integrationalists. It is a question of him arriving in the U.S. a broke Jamaican and hustling up a business that at it's peak was worth $500,000 in 1919. That is roughly 7 million in todays money.

More important than him having Black Star Lines and building it from humble beginnings was that regular everyday Black people knew about it, and they were inspired by it. Garvey was a very charismatic speaker, and when he gave public addresses he was able to appeal to the masses.

He was not a shrewd business man, he hustled a lot of people out of their money, he was at odds with Black leaders at the time, and he valued pomp and circumstances over practicality a lot of the time. Regardless of his numerous flaws, and that he was not the pioneer many believe him to be, he was a historically relevant Black leader, and deserves to be recognized as such. The fact of the matter is that there were Black political figures who lived in the same era, who had a far more pronounced positive long term impact on African Americans than Garvey did, such as Booker T. Washington. Even so, Garvey's impact on African Americans at the time bears mention.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The Pan-African Conference movement was begun in Chicago in 1893 with such people in the leadership as Bishop Henry McNeal Turner. This Pan-African movement continued with conferences held in England in 1900 under the direction of Trinidadian Henry Sylvester Williams, with W. E. B. DuBois and other African Americans playing a prominent role.

In the aftermath of World War I, the Pan-African movement was revived with DuBois organizing a Congress in Paris in 1919 with other leaders from the African world, including Addie W. Hunton, who had gone to France during the war to work with African-American servicemen suffering under deplorable conditions.

The [Marcus] Garvey Movement—the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA)—founded in Jamaica and relocated in New York, reached its zenith during the 1920s with millions of members and supporters, its Negro World newspaper and its establishment of chapters throughout the world, including the African continent.
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Atrocities committed by the Belgians in Congo, the British in southern Africa and East Africa as well as the French, Germans, Spanish and Italians in other regions of the continent, had a tremendous impact on Africans living in the western hemisphere. The descendants of Africans who were enslaved in the North America, the Caribbean and Latin America, began to hold meetings on how they could have an impact on alleviating the problems of European intervention in their ancestral home. These Africans saw a direct connection between the colonialism, national oppression, racism and race terror inflicted on people in the West and the conditions under which people were living in the homeland.

As a result in 1893 the first noted Pan-African Conference was held in Chicago. This meeting, which lasted for an entire week, is now recognized as a turning point in the struggle of Africans to build an international movement against colonialism and imperialism and for national independence and continental unity.

The 1893 Chicago Congress on Africa predated by seven years the first formal international Pan-African conference that was held in London in 1900 under the direction of Trinidadian-born Henry Sylvester Williams. This Congress was attended by such activists as Bishop Henry McNeal Turner of the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME) and Bishop Alexander Walters of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion (AMEZ).

Although notables such as Edward Wilmont Blyden of Liberia and Booker T. Washington had promised papers but did not attend, a broad range of topic were discussed including “The African in America”, “Liberia as a Factor in the Progress of the Negro Race”, and a very challenging presentation entitled “What Do American Negroes Owe to Their Kin Beyond the Sea”.”

Henry McNeal Turner utilized the Chicago Congress to advance the notion of repatriation as a mechanism for building self-determination among Africans in the West and on the continent. He had warned the African-American people some months before that France had demonstrated territorial designs on the nation of Liberia.

This conference in 1893 pave the way for the Pan-African conference held in Atlanta, Georgia some two years later in 1895 that was sponsored by the Steward Missionary Foundation for Africa of Gammon Theological Seminary.

The 1895 meeting was attended by people such as John Henry Smyth, who served as a minister resident and consul general to Liberia. In his paper presented to the Atlanta gathering he stated that “European contact has brought in its train not merely the sacrifice, amid unspeakable horrors, of the lives and liberties of twenty million Negroes for the American market alone, but political disintegration, social anarchy, moral and physical debasements.”

Some two years later the African Association was formed in England on September 24, 1897. This organization was spearheaded by Henry Sylvester Williams, a lawyer from Trinidad, who would later play an instrumental role in organizing a Pan-African Conference in London in July of 1900. This gathering is often considered as the turning point in the world-wide struggle for African unity and liberation that characterized the 20th century.

During the period of the first decade of the 20th century, there were a number of efforts to form race organizations in the United States and other parts of the Diaspora. In 1905, the Niagara Movement was formed on the United States and Canadian borders.

Pan-African News Wire: The Expanding United States Economic and Military Role in Africa

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The Chicago Congress on Africa in 1893

During the course of the time in which the Columbia Exposition was being held, there was another historical gathering which took place known as the Chicago Congress on Africa. This gathering is referred to by some as the First Pan-African Conference or Congress in world history. The event took place in several areas of the city of Chicago including venues associated with the Exposition and others which were not.

It was during this period that the rise of colonialism in Africa was intensifying at a rapid rate. Just nine years before the Berlin Conference was held in Germany which divided the continent up as political spheres of economic influence by Europe and the U.S.

The impact of the Atlantic Slave Trade from the 15th through the second half of the 19th centuries had set the stage for the rise of colonialism in Africa, Central America, South America and the Caribbean. However, there was a long time commitment among African Americans to either repatriate to the continent or to play some role in its reconstruction from slavery and colonialism.

This was reflected in the mass outpouring surrounding the Chicago Congress on Africa. Reed illustrates: “From August 14, 1893, to August 21, 1893 probably the largest number of African American participants in a world's fair event assembled as part of the Congress on Africa, or as it was sometimes referred to, the Congress on African Ethnology, or the Congress on the Negro. Its eight-day length included a citywide Sunday session that entered the sanctuaries and pulpits of scores of churches, so thousands of interested church congregants listened to information on the status of the global African population. Identified fully for what it was, the Congress on Africa combined the intellectual with the ideological, religious, philosophical and scientific to formulate an agenda facilitating, in effect, a dualistic American African public policy on the status of continental and Diaspora Africans.”

Well known political figures such as Edward Wilmot Blyden, a repatriated African born in the Caribbean and living in Liberia, along with Booker T. Washington of Tuskegee Institute in Alabama, had been anticipated to attend and present papers, however neither appeared at the gathering. Nevertheless, there were papers delivered on “The African in America”; “Liberia as a Factor in the Progress of the Negro Race”; and a very challenging presentation entitled “What Do American Negroes Owe to Their Kin Beyond the Sea.”

Bishop Henry McNeal Turner of the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church was joined with Bishop Alexander Walters of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion (AMEZ) and Alexander Crummell of the Episcopal Church. Turner during the Chicago Congress advanced the notions of the African origins of humanity and civilization.


He also strongly advocated for the repatriation of Africans to the continent as a means of exercising self-determination and nation-building. Turner had stated several months prior to the Congress that France was enhancing its territorial ambitions towards Africa, particularly in Liberia, being a major factor in the colonization of the continent.

This Congress provided the impetus for another Pan-African Conference held in Atlanta, Georgia, two years later in 1895. This gathering was sponsored by the Steward Missionary Foundation for Africa of the Gammon Theological Seminary. This meeting was attended by John Henry Smyth, who was the minister resident and consul general to Liberia.

In his paper presented to the Atlanta conference, Smyth emphasized that: “European contact has brought in its train not merely the sacrifice, amid unspeakable horrors, of the lives and liberties of twenty million Negroes for the American market alone, but political disintegration, social anarchy, moral and physical debasements.”

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[Lazy Migrant]

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Take us to the promised land!

 

[BlackPrint]

I feel like YOUNG Black people, esp. men, never give MLK the credit he deserves.. I get that Christianity and integration are talking points of the modern Black militancy movement + MLK is mainstream asf. But he's really and truly done more for Black people than anyone I can think of in the world (except maybe the Haitians?). Damn near every right that we have in America (And in the UK and some diaspora countries) is directly attributable to Dr. King.

Plus, despite being the go-to n^gger of white people TODAY, Dr. King was Osama in the flesh during his time and white people talked about him the way that they would talk today about ISIS or something.. Put in the proper context (50s and 60s) Dr King's level of militancy is unsurpassed even by Malcolm or Garvey.

I would never want to take anything away from ANY of the brothers and sisters mentioned here as they all put that pain in for us, but I think not giving MLK the crown in these kinda discussions is borderline disrespectful.


Second, in terms of raw organization (Mobilzing the largest number (X) of blacks to do anything (Y) prolly goes to Garvey.
Also, Booker T was a c00n.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Malcolm and it's not even close.

 

[jackson35]

it is close, right off the bat it is= Elijah Muhammad. everything that came out of the nation of islam influence the black power movement

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I feel like YOUNG Black people, esp. men, never give MLK the credit he deserves.. I get that Christianity and integration are talking points of the modern Black militancy movement + MLK is mainstream asf. But he's really and truly done more for Black people than anyone I can think of in the world (except maybe the Haitians?). Damn near every right that we have in America (And in the UK and some diaspora countries) is directly attributable to Dr. King.

Plus, despite being the go-to n^gger of white people TODAY, Dr. King was Osama in the flesh during his time and white people talked about him the way that they would talk today about ISIS or something.. Put in the proper context (50s and 60s) Dr King's level of militancy is unsurpassed even by Malcolm or Garvey.

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what many people fail to realize is that racist whites are/were more scared of the MLK kind of influence than the more black separatist/nationalist stuff because MLK was able to appeal to whites and non-blacks while the latter is more in line with what white racists already want to happen anyway.

 

[n00bsauce]

Surprised Nat Turner didn't make the list. Him dying a martyr should at least get him considered. Unless him not technically being American makes his nomination null and void