Who is a bigger mark for themselves and their own perceived greatness?

These guys forget that the only real is the money and the miles....:upsetfavre:

  • Bret the Hitman Hart

    Votes: 46 31.5%
  • CM Punk

    Votes: 26 17.8%
  • Hulk Hogan

    Votes: 26 17.8%
  • :ufdup: breh, how you gonna forget ____________

    Votes: 38 26.0%
  • osu sucks

    Votes: 10 6.8%

  • Total voters
    146

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Unrelated. and a desperate plea for attention. Basically the coli version of cheap heat :upsetfavre:

You make this thread, don't even mention Triple H - the biggest culprit - and yet I'm the one desperate for attention. This thread is the definition of cheap heat. My response was just telling the truth lol.
 
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4. Punk - you can't say some of what he says isn't true, though :ehh:
3. Hogan - I give him a pass since his Hulktales get me dying :lolbron:
2. Hart - a shrine, really?!? :upsetfavre:
1. HHH - his whole career is based on his insecurities

Honorable mentions: Matt Hardy, Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle

It really is real to bret hart
 

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CM Punk is far from being a mark for himself. Being proud of your accomplishments, having respect for the business is normal. Now Bret on the other hand, huge mark for himself. I remember that Scott Hall shoot interview when he said Bret's entire house is basically a shrine to himself. Dude really has a huge poster of himself in the sgt. pepper tassel jacket and the shades hanging over his bed. :skip:
 
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CM Punk is far from being a mark for himself. Being proud of your accomplishments, having respect for the business is normal. Now Bret on the other hand, huge mark for himself. I remember that Scott Hall shoot interview when he said Bret's entire house is basically a shrine to himself. Dude really has a huge poster of himself in the sgt. pepper tassel jacket and the shades hanging over his bed. :skip:

That shyt was fukkin hillarious
 

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Bret

He was so engrossed in making sure that he wins all the time that I honestly dont think he ever enjoyed the wrestling business. And thats the key word- business.

You think if I was such a mark for myself or insecure I would be cool with letting Dwayne come back and headline two consecutive Wrestlemanias at the expense of younger talent who I am constantly trying to push? Ofcourse not.

But I know exactly what he brings to the table or should I say I understand what his "role" is. He is there to bring in the money and thats good for business. You must be a fool to let your personal feelings get in the way of whats best for the company.

But it seems that he has failed to draw like we expected so fuk him I guess
 

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CM Punk is a crybaby given form as a wrestler but he tricked alot of people into believing in what he said. He hasn't drawn anything of value and that's why he no matter what, he can't be ALL TIME legendary on the Savage/Taker/Flair level.

Hogan went strong in the kayfabe era where it was easy to trick the everyday fan and that worked for years until people grew up and he had to change his game. up. The fans don't really care that much about his political nonsense from that era. He thinks highly of his worth but his numbers are on the record and can't be denied.

Bret Hart is someone that fans feel sympathy for and some were kind of raised by his little run on top but he wasn't a difference maker and on top during a very boring era. Overranks his importance in the ring much like most do. He did everything right but who goes out of their way to watch his matches in this day and age?

The answer of course is Cripple H. He held down the roster, didn't progress the business, laid down for certain friends with a certain look, and was a mark for winning main matches at Mania and on PPV. His jealousy of Jericho is a sad truth to how he'll always be a piece of the pie and never the whole thing.
 

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CM Punk is a crybaby given form as a wrestler but he tricked alot of people into believing in what he said. He hasn't drawn anything of value and that's why he no matter what, he can't be ALL TIME legendary on the Savage/Taker/Flair level.

CM Punk is wrestling in a time where the industry isn't even CLOSE to as famous as when Savage/Taker/Flair/Hogan/Rock/Austin/etc were in their prime though. How is it fair to compare what Punk can draw NOW to what they could draw THEN?

And serious question, where did the "Punk can't draw" thing start? I admit I could care less about draws/ratings and don't know much about it, but when was he ever put into a position to be the main draw and failed?

What full-time wrestlers currently outside of Cena - who has been shoved down our throats and is as industry-manufactured as they come - have been shown to be a draw?

I was under the impression that Punk was right beneath Cena in merchandise moved and that his DVD sold quiet a lot of copies. Didn't The Rock also want to work with him at Royal Rumble?

Enlighten me.
 

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Eh, most of their claims are grounded in reality somewhat. They are debatable, but it's not outrageous for Bret to claim that he's the best ever from a worker standpoint.

He never claims to have the most charisma or mic skills, never said he had the greatest look/physique.

Same with Punk... he doesn't claim to be a ratings megastar or that he's a better worker than HBK/Bret etc etc... just that as a total package, he's the best. Worker/mic skills combined. That's not an outlandish claim. I don't agree with it, but it's within the realm of reality.
 

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Bret

He was so engrossed in making sure that he wins all the time that I honestly dont think he ever enjoyed the wrestling business. And thats the key word- business.

You think if I was such a mark for myself or insecure I would be cool with letting Dwayne come back and headline two consecutive Wrestlemanias at the expense of younger talent who I am constantly trying to push? Ofcourse not.

But I know exactly what he brings to the table or should I say I understand what his "role" is. He is there to bring in the money and thats good for business. You must be a fool to let your personal feelings get in the way of whats best for the company.

But it seems that he has failed to draw like we expected so fuk him I guess

I see potential in this one.
 

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CM Punk is wrestling in a time where the industry isn't even CLOSE to as famous as when Savage/Taker/Flair/Hogan/Rock/Austin/etc were in their prime though. How is it fair to compare what Punk can draw NOW to what they could draw THEN?

That's a cop out to why he wasn't able to initiate a new era. When you are really hot and are a force of nature in pro wrestling, nothing can stop your momentum. Because you're drawing so much money that they push you no matter what. That's why they picked Austin over Michaels and Bret. That's why the Rock could never drop no matter if he won or lost on television. That's why Macho Man always stood out no matter where he was on the card. For some reason, you and your types like to get him off the hook and want to praise his promos and matches yet when he doesn't give returns after these "great promos and matches", it's someone else's fault. The business is dry. He's in the backseat. There's always some excuse. Some fallacy to cover up why he isn't good enough to inspire and create a boom era, which would of enabled him to pick his own spot instead of needing Dwayne Johnston to extend a title run that would of ended months earlier.

And serious question, where did the "Punk can't draw" thing start? I admit I could care less about draws/ratings and don't know much about it, but when was he ever put into a position to be the main draw and failed?

It started when he said he was putting asses in seats and talked big shyt about how he was basically on the Austin 3:16 level about "being the man" and clowning other semi legends when they weren't. He said some funny stuff to Nash but Nash was still apart of the NwO and he crosses other eras on that fact alone. CM Punk was given the WWE title for over a year and he took a backseat to a clown in bright shirts who is pretty tame on the historical front. That speaks volumes.

What full-time wrestlers currently outside of Cena - who has been shoved down our throats and is as industry-manufactured as they come - have been shown to be a draw?

Zack Ryder sells. D Bry sells. CM Punk merch sells. Cena merch sells. None of them are really drawing. Cena gets somewhat decent ratings when there is a flip to it like "fighting the Rock at WM for the title" against CM Punk. But that's it. He means nothing on PPV and hasn't meant anything on PPV since 2006. He was pushed behind Blandy, Cripple H, Michaels, and Undertaker at Wrestlemaina for years until the Rock came back and changed the whole company.

I was under the impression that Punk was right beneath Cena in merchandise moved and that his DVD sold quiet a lot of copies. Didn't The Rock also want to work with him at Royal Rumble?


Rock wanted to work with him. He's gotten a long title push and is the other name that fans tweet and run to him all the time over. He kind of just rolls with the fans' wants. He's into big matches that fans think are "dream matches" these days. Punk sells merch, as noted before, but so did Jeff Hardy and RVD before him. And Punk was NEVER hotter than RVD in 2001.
 

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I was entertained by many Hitman matches. I liked his in-ring style and I even thought he was a good promo guy (not saying he was one of the best talkers ever, but his character came across as believable on the mic).

So I'm a fan of the dude. But I can't deny he's a gigantic mark for himself. I will never understand why he thought the world would end if he had to lay down for HBK in Montreal.
 

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Thread is a failed veiled attempt at getting at the Hitman and/or Punk :snoop:

It's obvious from the fact that Triple H wasn't even included in the options :mindblown:

I don't even think Hogan counts because that nikka is senile :heh:

...yeah, its not a veiled attempt at anything: I'm getting at the Hitman and/or Punk. The HHH thing was a straight up oversight.
 
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