Who else here is MIDDLE PASSAGE BLACK

[Moshe.]

Its nowhere near the same struggle. If that's the case how are Nigerians the most educated immigrant group in the country?

(1) It is a small group, (2) that group have two parent homes and have political connections, (3) the parents are educated as well.

Similar to how people conclude Chinese people are very smart, but neglect the fact that most of those Chinese people were barred from the country (active laws) if they weren't educated.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

No one cares about what we did They're just getting theirs. We shouldn't be tearing each other apart internally based on frivilous criteria.

I DO

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

Seeing Mexicans deny their native blood made me realize how stupid black people look from the outside claiming they are not african.

A Mexican looking straight up and down native talking about he is a white Mexican

 

[ogc163]

Do you consider Black Latin Americans, and Black caribbean folks middle passage Blacks?

 

[nineteeneightysix]

It sounds like divide and conquer mentality but this isn't my intention; I feel like there is something different or special, admirable, proud, about being a 5th generation black american.
All the stories about slavery, 'share'cropping, Jim Crow, migration north, marching, dying, learning, rising, etc
That shyt isn't "our ancestors" that is MY great great grandfather, and grandfather, and grandfather. shyt, my mother was part of an integrating class of Gary West HS. So, I take serious pride in where we are because my family built America. And we didn't get paid for it.
It bothers me when others who were not TRULY part of OUR struggle take advantage of the blood we shed. this to me is African migrants, the lgbt community, Canadians, etc
Brehs from Nigeria, you didn't shed blood for this. my family tree did. and I KNOW this for a fact because my family is charted back to slave or daughter of slave by PHOTO.
Your thoughts on this opinion?

That shyt isn't "our ancestors" that is MY great great grandfather, and grandfather, and grandfather. shyt, my mother was part of an integrating class of Gary West HS. So, I take serious pride in where we are because my family built America. And we didn't get paid for it.
(1) What about your great grandfather's fathers? How can you say you are proud of your heritage and dismiss them?...They were AFRICANS...

(2) You should be angry and want retribution for the work your African ancestors put in and didn't get compensated for...You should be wanting revenge...What does being 'proud' even mean when you don't acknowledge that you are an African by heritage...?

It bothers me when others who were not TRULY part of OUR struggle take advantage of the blood we shed. this to me is African migrants
(3) Africans are part of the Black struggle, because that struggle started in Africa and it still on in Africa just as it still continues in America...It was your African ancestor that was on that slave ship praying to his African gods in his native African tongue, worried about his African family that was torn apart and etc...

(4) African blood, sweat and tears built America...So, how can you be of the opinion that "African migrants" are "not TRULY part" of the Black American struggle...? Think outside the box for a few minutes...Your first ancestor who was an African, is the link between your family tree in Africa and your family tree in America...Imagine we had Facebook and the technology to record history as we do today...Now think, your First Ancestor may have family in Africa, do you think a distant cousin of yours who is currently in Africa shouldn't be proud that one of his ancestors survived that torturous journey to establish roots in a strange and distant land...?

Think about it, that distant cousin of yours, who is in Africa today, has the same right as you to be proud of your mother, grandfather, great grandfather and etc...Because that thread started from the SAME origin...

That African has the RIGHT to come to America because you share the same common First Ancestor who suffered to give both sides of the lineage that right...

If you don't think it would be AMAZING for you and a Distant African Cousin to sit on Facebook and talk about how your Common Link survived and carried on the lineage in America, it is too bad...Because that is a MIRACLE story...

I am surprised a movie with this plot hasn't been made already...Instead of all his stupid ghetto drug dealing stories...


Brehs from Nigeria, you didn't shed blood for this. my family tree did. and I KNOW this for a fact because my family is charted back to slave or daughter of slave by PHOTO.
Your thoughts on this opinion?

(5) Brehs from Nigeria did shed blood for this Brehs in Africa ARE your family tree...Think about this, if you had 2 sons and one of them was kidnapped as a very young child and sent to a far distant land....But by some luck, the Kidnapped child finds his way in this new land and establishes himself in that land...He has children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren...

Mean while, his brother in the homeland manages to do the same...In your mind, do you honestly think that the homeland brother didn't suffer knowing that his brother was kidnapped and taken lord knows where, do you think that the children of the Homeland Brother have no right to be proud of what their Kidnapped Uncle was able to accomplish, do you honestly believe that the Kidnapped Brother did not pave a way for his Homeland Nephews?

On the other side of the coin, do you think that the Homeland Brother did not pave a way, for his Kidnapped Nephews to return to their original land if they so wish to do so, do you think that the Kidnapped Nephews have no right to be proud of what their Homeland Uncle was able to accomplish despite having his family torn apart, do you think that the Kidnapped Nephews have no right to return to the land of their forefathers if they wish to do so?

(6) The day all Africans across the globe realize that they built this world and are still building this world with their blood, sweat and tears, and thus they have earned the RIGHT to come and go across the continents as they please, will be the day that other races will start showing more respect...

If you are not proud of your own heritage, strangers are either (a) not going to give a fcuk about your culture, and just exploit it or (b) they will take your culture and make it their own, and make you feel weird and distant around your own people...

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Do you consider Black Latin Americans, and Black caribbean folks middle passage Blacks?

Outstanding question.

YES, regarding my Bahamian and other carobib brotherss....regarding Latin America, I do not have enough education about their post-landing experience to properly answer. At the moment I can answer "I don't feel a connection to them post Diaspora" but know that is somewhat flawed.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Most of my family is from Trinidad. My grandmother on my fathers side was from Dominca (not DR...) but grew up in Trinidad and my grandfather was part Venezualan but grew up in Trinidad. My mothers side is all Trinidad. So yeah basically all Trini.

So yeah

 

[ogc163]

Interesting thread although I'm sure some on the site will take it the wrong way/ become defensive.

I always think in a similar fashion when it comes to Poor Black people and their relationship with middle class Blacks both in terms of perception and identity. Middle class Blacks talk about the "Black struggle" but there is no denying that there is a very unique struggle that comes with being poor and Black in this country.

 

[Mowgli]

I DO

I'm descended from the middle passage and the original Portuguese slave conquests. Now what?

 

[OfTheCross]

Most of my family is from Trinidad. My grandmother on my fathers side was from Dominca (not DR...) but grew up in Trinidad and my grandfather was part Venezualan but grew up in Trinidad. My mothers side is all Trinidad. So yeah basically all Trini.

So yeah

Every Trini I've met in the US is super mixed. Mostly with Indian.

Is it that way on the island?

Also...i wouldn't call them black any more than I would call Indians black

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Most of my family is from Trinidad. My grandmother on my fathers side was from Dominca (not DR...) but grew up in Trinidad and my grandfather was part Venezualan but grew up in Trinidad. My mothers side is all Trinidad. So yeah basically all Trini.

So yeah

Help me get something constructive out of this. Was your family part of the Diaspora to Trinidad and/or venezuela? And tell me about their either revolution or fight for rights.

I'm not being sarcastic, whatsoever, to be clear.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Every Trini I've met in the US is super mixed. Mostly with Indian.

Is it that way on the island?

Also...i wouldn't call them black any more than I would call Indians black

There's no Indian people in my family tho we range from very light to very dark. My paternal grandfather is light skinned...all my other grandparents were dark skinned

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Interesting thread although I'm sure some on the site will take it the wrong way/ become defensive.

I always think in a similar fashion when it comes to Poor Black people and their relationship with middle class Blacks both in terms of perception and identity. Middle class Blacks talk about the "Black struggle" but there is no denying that there is a very unique struggle that comes with being poor and Black in this country.

I agree but the middle class of black America is not very far removed from the lower class generationally, at all. If you reread my story, if my grandfathers don't move to Gary to work in Steel, I'm probably in Mississippi (dads side) or Arkansas (mothers side) doing nothing...and that is not a disrespect to my brothers in the south. We were a simply job opportunity and move away from failure.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

That shyt isn't "our ancestors" that is MY great great grandfather, and grandfather, and grandfather. shyt, my mother was part of an integrating class of Gary West HS. So, I take serious pride in where we are because my family built America. And we didn't get paid for it.
(1) What about your great grandfather's fathers? How can you say you are proud of your heritage and dismiss them?...They were AFRICANS...

(2) You should be angry and want retribution for the work your African ancestors put in and didn't get compensated for...You should be wanting revenge...What does being 'proud' even mean when you don't acknowledge that you are an African by heritage...?

It bothers me when others who were not TRULY part of OUR struggle take advantage of the blood we shed. this to me is African migrants
(3) Africans are part of the Black struggle, because that struggle started in Africa and it still on in Africa just as it still continues in America...It was your African ancestor that was on that slave ship praying to his African gods in his native African tongue, worried about his African family that was torn apart and etc...

(4) African blood, sweat and tears built America...So, how can you be of the opinion that "African migrants" are "not TRULY part" of the Black American struggle...? Think outside the box for a few minutes...Your first ancestor who was an African, is the link between your family tree in Africa and your family tree in America...Imagine we had Facebook and the technology to record history as we do today...Now think, your First Ancestor may have family in Africa, do you think a distant cousin of yours who is currently in Africa shouldn't be proud that one of his ancestors survived that torturous journey to establish roots in a strange and distant land...?

Think about it, that distant cousin of yours, who is in Africa today, has the same right as you to be proud of your mother, grandfather, great grandfather and etc...Because that thread started from the SAME origin...

That African has the RIGHT to come to America because you share the same common First Ancestor who suffered to give both sides of the lineage that right...

If you don't think it would be AMAZING for you and a Distant African Cousin to sit on Facebook and talk about how your Common Link survived and carried on the lineage in America, it is too bad...Because that is a MIRACLE story...

I am surprised a movie with this plot hasn't been made already...Instead of all his stupid ghetto drug dealing stories...


Brehs from Nigeria, you didn't shed blood for this. my family tree did. and I KNOW this for a fact because my family is charted back to slave or daughter of slave by PHOTO.
Your thoughts on this opinion?

(5) Brehs from Nigeria did shed blood for this Brehs in Africa ARE your family tree...Think about this, if you had 2 sons and one of them was kidnapped as a very young child and sent to a far distant land....But by some luck, the Kidnapped child finds his way in this new land and establishes himself in that land...He has children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren...

Mean while, his brother in the homeland manages to do the same...In your mind, do you honestly think that the homeland brother didn't suffer knowing that his brother was kidnapped and taken lord knows where, do you think that the children of the Homeland Brother have no right to be proud of what their Kidnapped Uncle was able to accomplish, do you honestly believe that the Kidnapped Brother did not pave a way for his Homeland Nephews?

On the other side of the coin, do you think that the Homeland Brother did not pave a way, for his Kidnapped Nephews to return to their original land if they so wish to do so, do you think that the Kidnapped Nephews have no right to be proud of what their Homeland Uncle was able to accomplish despite having his family torn apart, do you think that the Kidnapped Nephews have no right to return to the land of their forefathers if they wish to do so?

(6) The day all Africans across the globe realize that they built this world and are still building this world with their blood, sweat and tears, and thus they have earned the RIGHT to come and go across the continents as they please, will be the day that other races will start showing more respect...

If you are not proud of your own heritage, strangers are either (a) not going to give a fcuk about your culture, and just exploit it or (b) they will take your culture and make it their own, and make you feel weird and distant around your own people...

I will address this when I get a proper moment to do so. Strong reply.

 

[Oceanicpuppy]

It depends you can be both middle passage black and recent Africa black.