"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[K-ZOE]

Wow....7 in a row. When was the last time? 2013 season?

I was torn between Haliburton and Obi. I'd heard Randle unfollowed and removed everything Knicks from his social media at the time so I assumed he was getting traded. I was for the Obi pick. I fukks with Brunson but a Haliburton/Mitchell backcourt woulda been


Thibs played IQ as a rookie. Haliburton would've saw time.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Best believe Thibs is playing Hali as a rookie. IQ broke into the rotation in November of his rookie year and was getting multiple 15 minute + games as a rookie.

He made all the right comments about Elfrid Payton but you can tell by the end of the season Thibs was ready to move on which is why Derrick was racking up crazy minutes.

Thibs is definitely giving Hali crazy play as a rookie.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Wow....7 in a row. When was the last time? 2013 season?

I was torn between Haliburton and Obi. I'd heard Randle unfollowed and removed everything Knicks from his social media at the time so I assumed he was getting traded. I was for the Obi pick. I fukks with Brunson but a Haliburton/Mitchell backcourt woulda been


Thibs played IQ as a rookie. Haliburton would've saw time.

hali shoulda been the pick based off the fact that obi only plays in 5-10 min spurts and for da most part is either launching up a 3s or going up for a alley. In other words, he was never given a fair chance to get better with randle on the team. and what he brings to da team is easily replaceable. he's been hurt da last few games and respectfully no one cares.

hali woulda provided us with WAY more in a much needed position. thibs literally would have no choice but to play him because of da void we had at pg. it would be unavoidable. we woulda been payin him pennies too, with more money to improve the team elsewhere

 

[RickyGQ]

I think Thibs would have liked Tyrese like he likes Grimes.

 

[storyteller]

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Fair but let me rephrase it. Would Thibs have given him play time over L-Frid/Kemba/D-Rose & other vets?

He sure as hell wouldn't of let's be real lmao.

 

[DPresidential]

He sure as hell wouldn't of let's be real lmao.

Average age of the Knicks 9 man rotation is 23.9 years old.

That says a lot.

 

[Knicksman20]

He sure as hell wouldn't of let's be real lmao.

Exactly lol

Average age of the Knicks 9 man rotation is 23.9 years old.

That says a lot.

We're talking 3 years later & hindsight bro, probably with the FO on his ass to play the young guys from last season into now. 3 years ago, I don't think he does

 

[K-ZOE]

Fair but let me rephrase it. Would Thibs have given him play time over L-Frid/Kemba/D-Rose & other vets?

Hali's rookie year Kemba wouldn't have been on the team and Rose was traded for later in the season. Because of how ineffective L-Frid was. And that French bozo might have still been around too. Hali would have gotten an opportunity. The same way IQ did. The same way Grimes did. With those 2 glaring examples I don't see why the Thibs don't play rookies narratives still exists. Hell Obi would get more minutes if not for Randle. No way he's buried behind trash ass Elfrid Payton just because he's a rookie. Payton couldn't even bury Frank dusty ass.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

If Toronto decides to blow it up this season then OG Anunoby is the next guy the Knicks should go after.

https://sny.tv/articles/julius-randle-knicks-pondered-shakeup

Internally, the Knicks were well aware that things were teetering. Before this most recent winning streak, someone from the club reached out to the Toronto Raptors to ask about trading for OG Anunoby. That’s a trade that would come at a significant cost -- it’s not a move you make unless you know you have to shake up your roster.

 

[Knicksman20]

Is it the perfect time for Knicks to trade Julius Randle or Obi Toppin?​

The awkwardness of both Randle and Toppin being on the roster constantly hangs over the Knicks​

NBA trade season has begun, and the Knicks -- in playoff position with expendable contracts and draft picks galore -- are expected to be aggressive.


We’ve heard Evan Fournier, Derrick Rose, Cam Reddish and Immanuel Quickley mentioned already. However, there isn’t a lot of value to be found shopping that list.


Three of those players aren’t in the current rotation and two are past their prime on large contracts. Moving Fournier will cost a draft pick, Reddish, or Quickley. Perhaps they can net a first by dealing most of them, but how much does that move the needle?


An alternate approach worth exploring is dealing one of Julius Randle or Obi Toppin. Both have built up improved trade value this season and haven’t proven they can coexist on the Knicks.


Randle has been the best player on the Knicks for most of the last four seasons and the team is rolling behind him right now. There was never a chance, especially post-extension, Toppin would supplant him as the starting power forward.


But Toppin improved in his own right and could thrive in a bigger role with more of the structured offense tailored toward him. The natural awkwardness of this situation constantly hangs over the Knicks.


Head coach Tom Thibodeau gave them opportunities to play together, but the results were mixed. It’s only a solution situationally as the two make a shaky defensive pairing.

Both are having strong individual seasons, with Randle following up his down 2021-22 with an All-Star-worthy campaign and Toppin finding his three ball before hurting his knee. Maybe this is the best chance of rectifying the rotational logjam that’s plagued the team for years.
Randle’s Knicks career has been a roller coaster, with his contract going from albatross to good value depending on the season. If the Knicks want to get off the ride, his trade value would be high to a team needing All-Star talent on an All-Star salary.
There would be reasons to do it.
Shedding Randle would push a more fluid, pass-heavy offensive approach and further emphasize the youth movement.
They could see Randle as too inconsistent with the team culture. He was overly emotional and defensively checked out for most of last season, and moments like that still arise on his best days.
Once Toppin is healthy, the Knicks would get a real look at what he brings to the table. They’d also have likely collected some additional depth and draft capital, along with increased salary cap flexibility.
They could also flip Randle for a similarly-valued player who will keep their talent level untouched, but there doesn’t appear to be a real opportunity for that.

On the other hand, stars win games and Randle’s been the Knicks' best star to date. It would be shocking for them to deal him in the midst of lots of winning.
As far as Toppin, he is about to turn 25, is due for an extension and still generally looks unpolished. The bench defense has looked much better without him. Swapping him for a bigger defensive wing or pure stretch shooter could pay dividends for both parties.
With Toppin hurt, the Knicks would likely wait to trade him, and he wouldn’t return much compared to a conceptual Randle deal. They could attach him to Fournier to get off that contract, but that seems like a waste.
Dumping Toppin for a pick and moving Reddish full-time to the four would be worth exploring, but even in Toppin's absence Thibodeau won’t play Reddish. Packaging him with Quickley or Reddish could possibly net the Knicks a legitimate upgrade.
How much youth are you willing to give up for a Bojan Bogdanovic or Jae Crowder, though?
These questions, among many others, are the ones the Knicks front office will have to ponder for the next few months. The team is playing well and has the goods to upgrade further, but it’ll have to be the right deal.
This may be one of the few chances New York gets to better align their roster. Will they take it?

 

[Knicksman20]

I'm pretty sure most here know how I feel about the Randle situation lol. If we get a good offer to move him, I'm hoping the FO doesn't make the same mistake twice in holding on to him

 

[GoldenGlove]

What's the consensus among Knick fans on Toppin? It was move Randle and give Toppin more minutes/responsibilities not too long ago from what I remember.

 

[Wargames]

All this talk about Haliburton being here and the real question needs to be is what is Toppin doing here with Randle?

Like Randle/Obi isn't some S+ tier lineup either.

But I don't think people really want to talk about it.

 

[storyteller]

What's the consensus among Knick fans on Toppin? It was move Randle and give Toppin more minutes/responsibilities not too long ago from what I remember.

He was promising and the bench offense has fallen off a cliff since he went out. The way Randle's playing, I don't think Toppin is gonna get the necessary minutes to fully develop. But they can afford to hang on and keep seeing what Obi becomes.