White gangster movies being appreciated as Shakespearean tragedies unappreciation thread

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Whether they get their comeuppance or not doesn't really factor into it. I mean just look at what happens in Scarface, but people still love Tony Montana.
they end bad because the gangster broke a gangster code.

They didn't lose for the simple fact that they are gangsters friend
 

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Whether they get their comeuppance or not doesn't really factor into it. I mean just look at what happens in Scarface, but people still love Tony Montana.

And the majority of people who do are rappers and our hip hop community. We glorified scarface homie. I'm not saying other cultures don't but we certainly had no problem putting posters on the wall, sampling the movie on albums or anything else
 

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Sidebar, I finally saw Rick Ross (the real one) documentary:huhldup: And I had no idea the

biggest Crack Dealer funded by our very own CIA, couldn't read a lick until he got jailed as a

Lifer. The fortitude to comprehend breakin down cocaine into a cheaper product, but being illiterate at the same time; Dualities:mindblown:

...now his story is Shakespearean, literally:wow:

At Gary Webb:coffee: committing suicide by shooting himself TWICE in his head, tho:duck:
 
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Or I'm a black man who looks at the films and realizes the films rarely glorify these cats. Do we as society glorify gangsters? Yes. Always have. Even in real life we have. But these movies, like black mass or goodfellas or even the godfather do not make these people out to be Angels or good people for that fact.
gangster rappers don't depict themselves as angels does that cancel what their musical content is predicated on? You are talking about 2 different things
 

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gangster rappers don't depict themselves as angels does that cancel the fact their musical content glorifies crime (and greed)

i think it would depend on the rapper. Now some of them will say that their music doesn't glorify it and it's just saying what they know, but that's the innate conflict within hip hop: you're getting rich off of talking about negative shyt and often times depicting someone else's life. Rarely do you get something like Ready to Die which, while at times does glorify the lifestyle with songs like big poppa or one more chance, for the most part, BIG is decrying the shyt he's doing and the shyt he's done and says he's a piece of shyt and deserves to go to hell and he talks about the stress and paranoia and heartache that comes with living that lifestyle. So I think it depends, at least for me, but for some, they will always look at a lot of rappers as hypocrites
 

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how can you say these movies glorify criminals when not one of them has a happy ending. the bad guy always gets his commupance.
What's wrong with the people on this site? what's not having a happy ending got to do with the fact a large chunk of these movies depicts the protagonist (who is a criminal that committed deplorable acts) as a grey misunderstood character who was actually a anti-hero. Ask Australians why they talk about Ronnie Biggs till this day or brits why they still make movies about the Krays. Has their even been a black version of "choppa" or "Bronson" wonder why that is :beli:
 
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What's wrong with the people on this site? what's not having a happy ending got to do with the fact a large chunk of these movies depicts the protagonist (who is a criminal that committed deplorable acts) as a grey misunderstood character who was actually a anti-hero.

well there's plenty of movies that do that aren't there? wasn't capone the villain in untouchables? wasn't nino brown the villain in new jack city? were we meant to feel sympathy for these guys?

tony montana could have been good at anything he decided to put his mind to, but he decided to take the short cut and be a criminal. if he would have stayed on the straight and narrow he would have been a boss in maybe 8-10 years. a guy like that? with that much smarts and ambition? he could have had someone washing HIS dishes.
 

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well there's plenty of movies that do that aren't there? wasn't capone the villain in untouchables? wasn't nino brown the villain in new jack city? were we meant to feel sympathy for these guys?

tony montana could have been good at anything he decided to put his mind to, but he decided to take the short cut and be a criminal. if he would have stayed on the straight and narrow he would have been a boss in maybe 8-10 years. a guy like that? with that much smarts and ambition? he could have had someone washing HIS dishes.
why are you mentioning nino in new Jack city when the premise of the thread is character driven movies based real life white criminals? :why: say do they have a catchy nickname for any black serial killer like they did the "iceman" wonder why :beli:
 
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why are you mentioning nino in new Jack city when the premise of the thread is character driven movies based real life white criminals? :why: say do they have a catchy nickname for any black serial killer like they did the "iceman" wonder why :beli:

what about frank lucas in american gangster? wasn't he portrayed as an "anti-hero"?
 
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I don't know frank's story like that all I know is considering how America is skewed and how racist cops be what he did was remarkable

but he still contributed to the destruction of the neighborhood right? he was still a criminal wasn't he?
 

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but he still contributed to the destruction of the neighborhood right? he was still a criminal wasn't he?
politicians and ccrooked cac cops destroyed neighborhoods, Frank capitalized on an opportunity and seized it but it was already happening. For one Frank Lucas how many others cac gangsters are glamorized, they tried to make a black version of sopranos spliced with shield called "thief" and the show couldn't finish a season. Can you guess what race the protagonist was? Like how you haven't answered 1 of my questions but are asking your own, wonder why :beli:
 
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politicians and ccrooked cac cops destroyed neighborhoods, Frank capitalized on an opportunity and seized it but it was already happening. For one Frank Lucas how many others cac gangsters are glamorized, they tried to make a black version of sopranos spliced with shield called "thief" and the show couldn't finish a season. Can you guess what race the protagonist was? Like how you haven't answered 1 of my questions but are asking your own, wonder why :beli:

i don't have an agenda bro, just answering your question. you said you don't know why they continue to make movies where they "glorify" white criminals and not black ones so i cited a movie where they "glorified" a black one instead.

however you wanna run with that is on you. :yeshrug:
 
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