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the idea that Mariota is dumb is just some terrible posting :yeshrug:

if you read reports, he did well in his meetings. this whole thread and the jokes in it revolve around NFL network not showing some segment with him.

maybe it's some cathartic response to black quarterbacks being unfairly criticized for being dumb for so long.
 

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the idea that Mariota is dumb is just some terrible posting :yeshrug:

if you read reports, he did well in his meetings. this whole thread and the jokes in it revolve around NFL network not showing some segment with him.

maybe it's some cathartic response to black quarterbacks being unfairly criticized for being dumb for so long.


He's not dumb he played in very simple offense where his 1st read was open 99.9% of the time.
Jameis and him are on two different levels right now.
 

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that's not true but don't let it get in the way of your hot take

Mariota plays in an offence that simplifies his reads and allows him to make safe throws. The offense tires out defenses such that Mariota is rarely ever playing with the same handicap other QBs play against every week. In some ways Mariota is even more of a system QB than Manziel inasmuch as Manziel didn't play with as much hurry up principles and regularly threw into tight windows. When the game turned against him against OSU, Mariota couldn't make the necessary throws from the pocket like you expect from a top QB prospect. He couldn't sit back, read the defence and throw in a crowded pocket, despite multiple opportunities. Hence he is a bust (if he starts right away).
 
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I've watched every Oregon game for the last 7 or 8 years

but please, keep telling me about their offense
 

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I've watched every Oregon game for the last 7 or 8 years

but please, keep telling me about their offense

I think you're a good poster but if you're going to defend Mariota, you should do so with argumentation and refutation, not inane reassurances based on how many games you watched. This is not a valid method of argument.
 

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People in here are selling mariotta short on the white board. Chip Kelly has said before he is a very intelligent player.
 

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so if folks protecting him then that audio of bruce arians talking about marcus and other spread qbs would not be getting views and would be buried right
 

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Mariota plays in an offence that simplifies his reads and allows him to make safe throws. The offense tires out defenses such that Mariota is rarely ever playing with the same handicap other QBs play against every week. In some ways Mariota is even more of a system QB than Manziel inasmuch as Manziel didn't play with as much hurry up principles and regularly threw into tight windows. When the game turned against him against OSU, Mariota couldn't make the necessary throws from the pocket like you expect from a top QB prospect. He couldn't sit back, read the defence and throw in a crowded pocket, despite multiple opportunities. Hence he is a bust (if he starts right away).

The offense that a player plays in does not equal his understanding of football, defense, or offensive concepts. It's just the offense he runs. Manziel wasn't a system QB. He was a kid who barely knew his plays and threw the ball up to WRs. There's a clear difference between him and Mariota. If you watched him against OSU he was going to his 2nd and 3rd reads, but they couldn't come back because a limitation of their offense not him lacking as a QB. Their passing schemes were weak sauce, but you could see him cycling for open WRs. You might have a point if Chip was his coach, but Helfrich started forcing him to stay in the pocket more since early last season.

Jameis is the better pocket QB, but that's not a reason to slam Mariota. I'm hoping the NFL motivates Jameis to focus now because he played way sloppier this year than he did last year.
 
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