Whenever a song by that clique of bay area rappers came on Rap City it was channel switch on sight

[Doomsday]

he's not black either, so what do you mean our culture?

I see. I assumed he was, my mistake.

This has to be the biggest reach......You're on Dhalsim levels with this theory. The Bay Area's influence on Black culture is cemented in history, doesn't matter if the demographics shifted. That's not to say that many Bay Area heads on here aren't non-Black, but the fandom of Bay Area hip-hop heads and the demographic shift, shouldn't automatically omit and erase everything the Bay Area has meant for Hip-Hop culture and Black American culture in general. You sound silly right now man...

The 2nd Great Migration has seen Blacks move out of most Non-Southern states en masse. That shouldn't negate the historic contributions Blacks have had in The Bay. But if that's your theory, than your should chalk up Chicago, NYC, Boston, Philly and other Northern cities in the same category as The Bay. Plenty of White hip-hop fans in those cities also, and plenty of Blacks fleeing those cities also.

You might be reaching with that "cemented in history" comment. You're overrating bay area influence. What you should say is Cali. L.A has a larger impact on hip hop and black culture than the SFBA.

SFBA deserves credit for the Black Panthers and it's contributions to black culture at large where it's deserved, my issue is when the REAL demographic of the SFBA try to lay claim and take credit for something that had nothing to do with them (same as NY to a smaller degree). Using the disguise of "urban" culture to justify infiltration and appropriation doesn't right with me.

As far as your comments on cities, again, you have to factor in segregation versus integration, but you do have a point. Chicago was the first Chocolate City in America, it's a shame what it's been reduced to.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I see. I assumed he was, my mistake.

Nah you assumed right.

 

[Doomsday]

i really wasnt going to comment but then they had the audacity to say oakland had no black culture, while mentioning the black panthers in the same breath. absolutely ridiculous.
and also saying oakland has no crime, not that that wouldnt be a great thing , but again just making stuff up.

They? I'm not mixed at all. Black on both sides and proud.

I never said Oakland had no black culture, just that in present day it's weak compared to the media portrayal and history since the southern migration. I also never said Oakland didn't have any crime, just that high crime in the bay area is a myth in general. Oakland crime is high by SFBA standards, in general it's low to average.

 

[Biscayne]

Baltimore ITSELF is around 60% black. There isn't a major city in the bay area that's still majority black. Y'all also don't have a non-rap black dance music scene like all culturally relevant black cities have.

None of that makes Bay Area Hip-Hop not dope or non-influential, nor does it erase the Black musical or cultural impact The Bay Area has had on the nation. You can't use current demographic shifts, to erase what has already been cemented. While I do understand @MrMime's argument about White living vicariously through The Black History of The Bay, I think his argument was flawed from the get go, because even with the extreme decline in The Bay's Black population, there's still more than enough pockets of Blackness in The Bay to keep culturally relevant Hip-Hop culture and Black culture at large, alive in The Bay. The Bay as a whole may only be 6% Black, but cities like Oakland(28% Black), Richmond(26% Black), North Richmond(33% Black), Vallejo(22% Black), Marin City(38% Black), Pittsburg CA(17% Black), and East Palo Alto(16% Black) are still hovering above 15% and 20% Black. You know what the US percentage of Blacks is? 12.3% So that's 7 different cities in The Bay Area in which the Black population is still higher than the national average in 2016.

 

[Biscayne]

Bmore club music is international now.
jersey jacked it...it's part of Dance music culture and spread outside of the baltimore area into the northern new jersey metro, 2-3 hrs away.
mind you, the east coast isn't like the west coast at all...

B'More Club seems like it'd be more popular in White settings, than it would in Black settings outside of B'more course. If White commodification of Black music is in your criteria for a cities historic contributions to Black culture, than congrats....

I don't know anywhere Down here in the South, where B'More club would take favor, over Hyphy Music from the mid-00's. You play some B'More club remix of any popular song down here in an Urban club in The South, I don't think folks would be as hyped, compared to if you played E40, Keek Da Sneek, Too Short, or any other Bay stuff from the 00's. There's a greater connection between Bay Area Music and Authentic Black Southern hip-hop fans, than there is between any sort of Northern/East Coast dance music and Black Southern Hip-Hop fans down here. Trap/Hyphy/Crunk are cousins.

 

[miranda]

They? I'm not mixed at all. Black on both sides and proud.

I never said Oakland had no black culture, just that in present day it's weak compared to the media portrayal and history since the southern migration. I also never said Oakland didn't have any crime, just that high crime in the bay area is a myth in general. Oakland crime is high by SFBA standards, in general it's low to average.

this is incorrect, but it's not a big deal
List of United States cities by crime rate (2014) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
just sort every category from highest to lowest, and yeah...

the thread was about 90s era rap and i assure you oakland was a completely culturally black city at that time

sorry, he just really pissed me off with the dru down slander, ya feel me

 

[Biscayne]

The problem with this argument is that the Hip Hop scene in the Bay Area is overwhelmingly created by and for black folks in the Bay Area.

Exactly, every neighborhood or town in the Bay Area in which most Black artist came from, was at majority Black, at the time of their musical debuts. It's not like these hip-hop artist came from Sausalito. All the Bay artist came from Black neighborhoods and Black districts.

 

[Biscayne]

this is incorrect, but it's not a big deal
List of United States cities by crime rate (2014) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
just sort every category from highest to lowest, and yeah...

the thread was about 90s era rap and i assure you oakland was a completely culturally black city at that time

sorry, he just really pissed me off with the dru down slander, ya feel me

His argument is a little off. Oakland was 40% Black at the time, and it was the 3rd largest city in The Bay, and the 4th largest in all of Northern California. The 4th largest city in all of Northern California had a Black plurality, and high Black populated satellite cities surrounding it(Vallejo, Richmond,).

 

[Biscayne]

A lot of you west indian nikkas are not in tune with black music like that The West Coast, Midwest and the South have always fukked with each other more than the East Coast with any of the above... I'm inclined to say a big part of that is due to cultural differences.

They don't seem to understand the family and cultural ties between The Westcoast cities like Oakland, LA and SF and the Western Southern states like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Arkansas. Music, culture, slang, etc, was all shared between the Bay Area and The South. I'm a Haitian who was born and raised in The South. Urban culture from Out West was just as influential on us in The South, as Northern or Eastcoast urban culture was. It all depends on what part of the South we're referencing. The South is huge, and Blacks either migrated to Up North, or Out West depending on where in The South they were from. Mest is from VA, so by default he's gonna feel more affinity with NYC. But The Bay got heavy play everywhere else down here. But overall, Hyphy's been more popular down here in 10yrs, than anything I can think that has come form up north....

 

[Biscayne]

I see. I assumed he was, my mistake.



You might be reaching with that "cemented in history" comment. You're overrating bay area influence. What you should say is Cali. L.A has a larger impact on hip hop and black culture than the SFBA.

SFBA deserves credit for the Black Panthers and it's contributions to black culture at large where it's deserved, my issue is when the REAL demographic of the SFBA try to lay claim and take credit for something that had nothing to do with them (same as NY to a smaller degree). Using the disguise of "urban" culture to justify infiltration and appropriation doesn't right with me.

As far as your comments on cities, again, you have to factor in segregation versus integration, but you do have a point. Chicago was the first Chocolate City in America, it's a shame what it's been reduced to.

But White people in The Bay(and in California at large) living viciriously through the contributions of the smaller Black population of The Bay, shouldn't negate the still very present, ever evolving, and very real cultural and musical contributions that Black Bay Area residents are still producing.

There are still Blacks that live in the Bay today. Still living, still making and molding the culture. No one on the Coli, and no Black person from The Bay that I know of on The Coli, is using the term "Urban" to co-opt Black creation and give White people credit for Black creation. I see your argument though. When the V-Nasty stuff hit, there were some Blacks from California who were on that "Well, out here in The Bay, EVERYONE uses nikka, because EVERYONE out here is urban, and EVERYONE out here grew up in rough parts of Oakland, and EVERYONE out here who grew up urban is hip-hop. So we're cool with White girls and Asians and EVERYONE sayin nikka". I get and understand that that was some c00n stuff. I guess that's partly what your argument is based on, correct? But I'm sure most Black folks from Oakland weren't cool with that, nor co-signed that.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

None of that makes Bay Area Hip-Hop not dope or non-influential, nor does it erase the Black musical or cultural impact The Bay Area has had on the nation. You can't use current demographic shifts, to erase what has already been cemented. While I do understand @MrMime's argument about White living vicariously through The Black History of The Bay, I think his argument was flawed from the get go, because even with the extreme decline in The Bay's Black population, there's still more than enough pockets of Blackness in The Bay to keep culturally relevant Hip-Hop culture and Black culture at large, alive in The Bay. The Bay as a whole may only be 6% Black, but cities like Oakland(28% Black), Richmond(26% Black), North Richmond(33% Black), Vallejo(22% Black), Marin City(38% Black), Pittsburg CA(17% Black), and East Palo Alto(16% Black) are still hovering above 15% and 20% Black. You know what the US percentage of Blacks is? 12.3% So that's 7 different cities in The Bay Area in which the Black population is still higher than the national average in 2016.

Yup, a few more can be added to the list as well:

Suisun City (20% Black)
Antioch (17% Black)
Fairfield (15.7% Black)
Emeryville (17.5% Black)
San Pablo (15.8% Black)
Hercules (18.9% Black)
Rodeo (16.9% Black)
Ashland aka South San Leandro (19.5% Black)

 

[Biscayne]

Yup, a few more can be added to the list as well:

Suisun City (20% Black)
Antioch (17% Black)
Fairfield (15.7% Black)
Emeryville (17.5% Black)
San Pablo (15.8% Black)
Hercules (18.9% Black)
Rodeo (16.9% Black)
Ashland aka South San Leandro (19.5% Black)

There you go, that's another 7 cities in the Bay with a higher than average Black population. Mac Dre's viewing was in Fairfield.

 

[Doomsday]

None of that makes Bay Area Hip-Hop not dope or non-influential, nor does it erase the Black musical or cultural impact The Bay Area has had on the nation. You can't use current demographic shifts, to erase what has already been cemented. While I do understand @MrMime's argument about White living vicariously through The Black History of The Bay, I think his argument was flawed from the get go, because even with the extreme decline in The Bay's Black population, there's still more than enough pockets of Blackness in The Bay to keep culturally relevant Hip-Hop culture and Black culture at large, alive in The Bay. The Bay as a whole may only be 6% Black, but cities like Oakland(28% Black), Richmond(26% Black), North Richmond(33% Black), Vallejo(22% Black), Marin City(38% Black), Pittsburg CA(17% Black), and East Palo Alto(16% Black) are still hovering above 15% and 20% Black. You know what the US percentage of Blacks is? 12.3% So that's 7 different cities in The Bay Area in which the Black population is still higher than the national average in 2016.

The SFBA is integrated. On top of that those numbers are skewed. A lot of people that are "black" in California wouldn't be black outside of it. 1 out of 4 just feels too high for Oakland and Richmond, and EPA and Pittsburg can't be 16-17%, no why in hell. Wow, I'm impressed with Marin City I didn't know it was that high. Might have to go double look.

In general, I acknowledge your point of view, but even at their peak, no Bay Area city has ever been higher than 47%, and while the most dominate single demographic at one point, were never truly the majority of a city. I think blacks in the bay should all migrate to one city and call it a life.

Yup, a few more can be added to the list as well:

Suisun City (20% Black)
Antioch (17% Black)
Fairfield (15.7% Black)
Emeryville (17.5% Black)
San Pablo (15.8% Black)
Hercules (18.9% Black)
Rodeo (16.9% Black)
Ashland aka South San Leandro (19.5% Black)

Even if those numbers are true (and most likely aren't), thats still low. Lower than 1 out of 4 is terrible, especially when it's integrated.

 

[Biscayne]

The SFBA is integrated. On top of that those numbers are skewed. A lot of people that are "black" in California wouldn't be black outside of it. 1 out of 4 just feels too high for Oakland and Richmond, and EPA and Pittsburg can't be 16-17%, no why in hell. Wow, I'm impressed with Marin City I didn't know it was that high. Might have to go double look.

In general, I acknowledge your point of view, but even at their peak, no Bay Area city has ever been higher than 47%, and while the most dominate single demographic at one point, were never truly the majority of a city. I think blacks in the bay should all migrate to one city and call it a life.

Most Blacks in CA, would be considered Black anywhere else in this nation. CA was the Blackest state in America in terms of raw numbers at one point(I think Blacks were 4million strong at some point in the 80's in CA). Even with the mass exodus of Blacks out of CA's largest cities, the state is still top 5 Blackest in the naiton. Plus, alot of Blacks that migrate out of cities like Oakland, don't all completely move out of the state. Alot of them just migrate to the surrounding burbs, rising the percentage of Bay Area burbs. Same phenomenon in LA. LA may be less Black, but the IE is Blacker than it's ever been from what I've heard.

 

[Doomsday]

But White people in The Bay(and in California at large) living viciriously through the contributions of the smaller Black population of The Bay, shouldn't negate the still very present, ever evolving, and very real cultural and musical contributions that Black Bay Area residents are still producing.

It doesn't negate it, but it does cheapen it when it winds up giving an inaccurate portrayal of the SFBA and life within it.

There are still Blacks that live in the Bay today. Still living, still making and molding the culture. No one on the Coli, and no Black person from The Bay that I know of on The Coli, is using the term "Urban" to co-opt Black creation and give White people credit for Black creation.

Reread the thread.

I see your argument though. When the V-Nasty stuff hit, there were some Blacks from California who were on that "Well, out here in The Bay, EVERYONE uses nikka, because EVERYONE out here is urban, and EVERYONE out here grew up in rough parts of Oakland, and EVERYONE out here who grew up urban is hip-hop. So we're cool with White girls and Asians and EVERYONE sayin nikka". I get and understand that that was some c00n stuff. I guess that's partly what your argument is based on, correct? But I'm sure most Black folks from Oakland weren't cool with that, nor co-signed that.

I hear what you're saying. I'm not cool with V-Nasty saying it. If she wasn't a woman and I saw her I would punch her in the face...Still might.