Whenever a song by that clique of bay area rappers came on Rap City it was channel switch on sight

[Doomsday]

Per capita actually works perfectly for EPA because of how small EPA is. But even then, back in the 90s was there a part of EPA that was safe? That needs to be taken into consideration. That's why the St. Louis numbers are misleading. The real number is far worse for the communities that actually have the crime. I've never been to St. Louis and I know next to nothing about it, but I can state with certainty that there are parts of St. Louis that are perfectly safe. If the per capita number includes those areas, then it's misleading. We need to get statistics for neighborhoods.

That's what I'm saying. The hard part is already done with EPA-- it's essentially already reduced to it's neighborhoods. If the same were done with Saint Louis...Shiiiid. 1500 robberies 3500 assaults reduced down to a condensed area? That's crazy.

 

[mobbinfms]

That's what I'm saying. The hard part is already done with EPA-- it's essentially already reduced to it's neighborhoods. If the same were done with Saint Louis...Shiiiid. 1500 robberies 3500 assaults reduced down to a condensed area? That's crazy.

Yep. You'd also have to do it for neighborhoods in SF, Oakland and Richmond.
Fact is, we don't really know the true statistics.
Outside of, I guess, EPA, which was the murder capital in 1992.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

That's exactly the point I made earlier, the roots of Hip Hop culture are not African American.

It didn't take very long for African Americans to dominate the culture but New York's style is heavily Caribbean influenced to this day.

The New York Hip Hop scene never fukked with the Hip Hop scenes in the rest of the country like that unless nikkas made music that sounded exactly like them (i.e. Common, Lupe, Hiero, Cypress Hill, etc). When you compare the music they don't like to each other - UGK, E-40, Do Or Die, etc. - the commonalities stand out:

- Heavier bass lines
- Heavier focus on melody
- Less focus on rapping about rhyme skills, more Bluesy subject matter
- Heavier use of P-Funk elements

This isn't by accident.

none of this is true

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

none of this is true

Explain why literally almost every New York rapper of note is Caribbean. To quote a list posted in this thread:

www.thecoli.com/threads/list-of-rappers-of-caribbean-descent-nicki-minaj-jay-z-50-cent-more.313275/

Biggie (Jamaican parents)
Busta Rhymes (Jamaican parents)
Q-Tip (Father from Anguilla)
Jay-Z (Jamaican father)
Dame Dash (Parents from Barbados)
Shyne (Born in Belize)
Fetty Wap (Half Jamaican/Haitian)
The Fugees (Wyclef and Pras are Haitian)
Slick Rick (Jamaican)
KRS-One (Jamaican)
Guru (Father from Trinidad)
A$AP Rocky (Father from Barbados)
Diddy (His mom is Jamaican)
LL Cool J (Parents from Barbados)
Rakim (Jamaican father)
Eric B. (Jamaican)
Dana Dane (Jamaican)
Foxy Brown (Trini)
Heavy D (Born in Jamaica)
Nicki Minaj (Trinidad)
Lil Kim (Half Jamaican/Trini)
Phife from Tribe Called Quest (Trinidad)
Spliff Star (Jamaican)
Tony Yayo (Haitian)
Fabolous (Dominican father)
Doug E Fresh (Barbados)
Kid from Kid N Play (Jamaican father)
DJ Kool Herc (Founder of hip-hop) is Jamaican
Joey Badass (Jamaican)
Afrika Bambataa (Jamaican)
Safafree(Trinidad)
Jim Jones (Aruba)
MF Doom (Trini)
OC (Dominican)
AZ (Dominican)
JR Writer (Dominican)
Capone & Noriega (Haitian & Puerto Rican)
Juelz Santana (Puerto Rican)
Cam'ron (Dominican)
Big Noyd (Puerto Rican)

Not to mention all of the NY Puerto Rican and Cuban rappers.

Explain why almost literally every New York producer of note (Pete Rock, Memphis Bleek, Swizz Beatz, Heatmakerz, Grandmaster Flash, etc.) is Caribbean.

Explain the overwhelming disdain from the New York scene of Hip Hop music from other regions of the country that does not draw from their production and rap style.

I'll wait

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Explain why literally almost every New York rapper of note is Caribbean. To quote a list posted in this thread:

www.thecoli.com/threads/list-of-rappers-of-caribbean-descent-nicki-minaj-jay-z-50-cent-more.313275/

Biggie (Jamaican parents)
Busta Rhymes (Jamaican parents)
Q-Tip (Father from Anguilla)
Jay-Z (Jamaican father)
Dame Dash (Parents from Barbados)
Shyne (Born in Belize)
Fetty Wap (Half Jamaican/Haitian)
The Fugees (Wyclef and Pras are Haitian)
Slick Rick (Jamaican)
KRS-One (Jamaican)
Guru (Father from Trinidad)
A$AP Rocky (Father from Barbados)
Diddy (His mom is Jamaican)
LL Cool J (Parents from Barbados)
Rakim (Jamaican father)
Eric B. (Jamaican)
Dana Dane (Jamaican)
Foxy Brown (Trini)
Heavy D (Born in Jamaica)
Nicki Minaj (Trinidad)
Lil Kim (Half Jamaican/Trini)
Phife from Tribe Called Quest (Trinidad)
Spliff Star (Jamaican)
Tony Yayo (Haitian)
Fabolous (Dominican father)
Doug E Fresh (Barbados)
Kid from Kid N Play (Jamaican father)
DJ Kool Herc (Founder of hip-hop) is Jamaican
Joey Badass (Jamaican)
Afrika Bambataa (Jamaican)
Safafree(Trinidad)
Jim Jones (Aruba)
MF Doom (Trini)
OC (Dominican)
AZ (Dominican)
JR Writer (Dominican)
Capone & Noriega (Haitian & Puerto Rican)
Juelz Santana (Puerto Rican)
Cam'ron (Dominican)
Big Noyd (Puerto Rican)

Not to mention all of the NY Puerto Rican and Cuban rappers.

Explain why almost literally every New York producer of note (Pete Rock, Memphis Bleek, Swizz Beatz, Heatmakerz, Grandmaster Flash, etc.) is Caribbean.

Explain the overwhelming disdain from the New York scene of Hip Hop music from other regions of the country that does not draw from their production and rap style.

I'll wait

this list was called out for being bullshyt a long time ago

Its club culture is turnover from NYC black disco culture
Sonically it derives from funk music

And it doesnt get anymore AA than Funk music

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

this list was called out for being bullshyt a long time ago

Its club culture is turnover from NYC black disco culture
Sonically it derives from funk music

And it doesnt get anymore AA than Funk music

I deleted the bullshyt off of the list and added a few myself. In reality there are far more (Canibus, Styles P, Dray of Das EFX, Big Pun, Joey Bada$$, Bobby Schmurda, etc).

Lets not forget that almost everybody who are given credit for the foundation of Hip Hop are Jamaican.

They sampled black pop and disco because that's what they were hearing on the radio and in the clubs at the time that Hip Hop was being created.

Is it purely an accident or coincidence that the NY/NJ rappers who are most popular outside of New York (Run DMC, Public Enemy, 50 Cent, Nas, Lauryn Hill, Wu Tang Clan, DMX, EPMD, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Ja Rule, Redman, etc.) are almost all AA?

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I deleted the bullshyt off of the list and added a few myself. In reality there are far more (Canibus, Styles P, Dray of Das EFX, Big Pun, Joey Bada$$, Bobby Schmurda, etc).

Lets not forget that almost everybody who are given credit for the foundation of Hip Hop are Jamaican.

They sampled black pop and disco because that's what they were hearing on the radio and in the clubs at the time that Hip Hop was being created.

Is it purely an accident or coincidence that the NY/NJ rappers who are most popular outside of New York (Run DMC, Public Enemy, 50 Cent, Nas, Lauryn Hill, Wu Tang Clan, DMX, EPMD, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Ja Rule, Redman, etc.) are almost all AA?

hip hop was a community created art form. Everything in it came from older American culture

Kool herc will tell you this himself

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

hip hop was a community created art form. Everything in it came from older American culture

Kool herc will tell you this himself

Rapping and DJing come from older American culture, yes. That's not what's in debate though.

What's in debate is just how big of a Caribbean influence there is on the norms of New York Hip Hop culture and how much does that paint their perception of the Hip Hop scenes in other regions that are not Caribbean-influenced outside of the obvious initial influence of New York.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Rapping and DJing come from older American culture, yes. That's not what's in debate though.

What's in debate is just how big of a Caribbean influence there is on the norms of New York Hip Hop culture and how much does that paint their perception of the Hip Hop scenes in other regions that are not Caribbean-influenced outside of the obvious initial influence of New York.

Its overstated. Most of them you wouldnt even know were caribbean
Im born and raised in the south bronx
The bronx is not brooklyn. Overall umbrella hip hop was created under is american

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Its overstated. Most of them you wouldnt even know were caribbean
Im born and raised in the south bronx
The bronx is not brooklyn. Overall umbrella hip hop was created under is american

What do you mean by the Bronx is not Brooklyn? The last few times I've been to New York I've been under the impression that the Caribbean presence in NY is overwhelmingly in the Bronx and upper Manhattan followed by parts of BK (Flatbush, Bushwick, etc).

 

[the cac mamba]

Lol@negging someone for not liking bullshyt like this.

livin in the ghe-tto

he-llo

 

[K.O.N.Y]

What do you mean by the Bronx is not Brooklyn? The last few times I've been to New York I've been under the impression that the Caribbean presence in NY is overwhelmingly in the Bronx and upper Manhattan followed by parts of BK (Flatbush, Bushwick, etc).

brookyn has the biggest caribbean presence by far. We have a few pockets in the North Bronx but thats about it

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

brookyn has the biggest caribbean presence by far. We have a few pockets in the North Bronx but thats about it

I guess it depends on whether you include Puerto Ricans and Dominicans or not although I don't necessarily see how you wouldn't.

 

[Luken]

bump just for the disrespect

 

[Luken]

bump just for the disrespect

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