Scotch Hall
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what other n1ggas said about hhh being mad insecure is true tho, dude looked mad awkward 
When you listen to Lawler and Cripple H $hit on the Warrior..
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what unspectacular feuds? the only full-feud he had was the annual jerry lawler king of the ring beatdown.
you call it a flop, but youre basing it on nothing but him leaving prematurely.
just because warrior was given THE PUSH, it doesnt mean that he had the world handed to him. by that logic, everybody that gets pushed in this business gets the world handed to them. your choice of words are.
what did cena earn? hes been the supposed biggest babyface in the world for the past 7 years, yet hes been getting booed out of the building every week for 90% of that time period. nor is he skilled. i mean, its either one or the other.....and hes neither.
Wacky... I have nothing to gain by calling that shyt what it is. I was a Warrior mark in the late80s/early-90s, so I don't have any kinda agenda against the dude. I'm just callin' it like it happened. I'm basing the '96 run as a flop by the fact that it only lasted three months and nothing came out of it. You think it was a success?
I don't know what else you can call a major star returning in March and being gone by July.The reason I say he had it handed to him is because it all happened relatively fast. I'm not saying he didn't hold up his end of it and justify it by his popularity, but it was a day-one neverending push that most wrestlers weren't as fortunate to get. It was Goldberg before Goldberg, Lesnar before Lesnar... he didn't go to the top in months like they did, but wrestling moved slower in those years. Had it moved at the pace it did in the late-90s/early-2000s with multiple PPVs and star vs. star matches every week on the TV shows, Warrior would've had that belt by the end of '88.
Far as Cena goes... money talks, and money says he's over. Maybe not Rock/Hogan/Austin over but he's over, and has been since 2003. And I know you don't wanna bring in-ring skill into a conversation about the Ultimate Warrior. C'mon bruh.
WHAT THE F*CK!!!??thats B.G. in my avi, you idiot.
somebody please get this d*ckhead away from me.
Wacky... I have nothing to gain by calling that shyt what it is. I was a Warrior mark in the late80s/early-90s, so I don't have any kinda agenda against the dude. I'm just callin' it like it happened. I'm basing the '96 run as a flop by the fact that it only lasted three months and nothing came out of it. You think it was a success?
The reason I say he had it handed to him is because it all happened relatively fast. I'm not saying he didn't hold up his end of it and justify it by his popularity, but it was a day-one neverending push that most wrestlers weren't as fortunate to get. It was Goldberg before Goldberg, Lesnar before Lesnar... he didn't go to the top in months like they did, but wrestling moved slower in those years. Had it moved at the pace it did in the late-90s/early-2000s with multiple PPVs and star vs. star matches every week on the TV shows, Warrior would've had that belt by the end of '88.
Far as Cena goes... money talks, and money says he's over. Maybe not Rock/Hogan/Austin over but he's over, and has been since 2003. And I know you don't wanna bring in-ring skill into a conversation about the Ultimate Warrior. C'mon bruh.
we're going back-n-forth for nothing. the discrepansy(sp?) here is that you have a loose definition of the word "flop".
flop = utter failure.
warrior's run was neither a success or a failure. it was just cut short prematurely. and if i had to pick one, it was closer to a success than it was a failure.
and lets not act as if the wwf didnt sink lower when the warrior left. he was one of the few things that kept alot of people tuning into raw during the golden days of nitro, as he was the one mega-star that bishoff couldnt sign. word to the renegade.
and goldberg was super-over as well. as for lesnar, he wasnt on the level of those guys in terms of popularity but he was instantly the talk of the town, less than a month in the game. im not even a fan of those 2, but i cant sit back and act like their careers were handed to them on a silver platter.
you talk about cena, but hes been pushed the same way they were. only difference is, hes been pushed for like a decade now and still cant match up to what warrior, goldberg & lesnar accomplished in just a short period of time. yet, youre vouching for cena while putting the other guys on blast?
cena is money to the little kids who eat up whatever is forced on them. we get it.
the point of me bringing up skill is that, if you dont have skill, you have to at least be crazy over. cena is neither. on the flipside, while warrior wasnt lou thesz, he had an epic crowd following that we rarely ever see. nobody can just book someone to be over like that. thats proposterous....and for the record, lets not act like the warrior doesnt have legendary matches, while cena has none. but that wasnt the point that i was making.
Wacky... you're unique, I'll give you that. Cause you might be the only person in the world with positive things to say about that half-assed three-month '96 run. Most people who were still watching regularly around that time would've watched with or without Warrior. Unless you can show me some spike in viewership between April and July of '96, then the same damn people who were watching before he came back were still watching during and after. It's not like he was the focal point of the show, and I doubt his feuds with Goldust or Lawler were so captivating that people just had to tune in, so I don't see how the hell you believe that. People who preferred WCW's product at the time (and how could they not) probably WEREN'T abandoning the show so they could get their 6 minutes of Warrior on Raw every week.
I wasn't throwing anyone under the bus- not Warrior, nor Goldberg, nor Lesnar... what I said was, they are all examples of people who came into a company and got major pushes from the get-go, which some others did NOT get. I don't think most people would disagree with that. It's not discrediting them in any way- it's just saying they had given to them what most wrestlers have to work a little harder to get.
I'm not really tryin' to turn this into a Cena debate, cause I'm not even a big fan of his. He has his moments, but that's about it. What I WILL say is that, outside of your opinion or mine, he is generating money and that'll always take precedence over some people in the crowd booing. If the amount of sales and endorsement money matched the opinions of adult male "smart" fans in the crowd, then maybe he wouldn't be the top face... BUT clearly they don't. 'Sall I'm sayin'.
I wasn't throwing anyone under the bus- not Warrior, nor Goldberg, nor Lesnar... what I said was, they are all examples of people who came into a company and got major pushes from the get-go, which some others did NOT get. I don't think most people would disagree with that. It's not discrediting them in any way- it's just saying they had given to them what most wrestlers have to work a little harder to get.
I'm not really tryin' to turn this into a Cena debate, cause I'm not even a big fan of his. He has his moments, but that's about it. What I WILL say is that, outside of your opinion or mine, he is generating money and that'll always take precedence over some people in the crowd booing. If the amount of sales and endorsement money matched the opinions of adult male "smart" fans in the crowd, then maybe he wouldn't be the top face... BUT clearly they don't. 'Sall I'm sayin'.
The Great One
Swag Surfin
24 hours is up, negged again Wack D.
man, your responses always indicate that you either didnt read my post or you just conveniently gloss over chit.
for the millionth time, im not saying anything positive about the run. theres nothing negative to say about it either. but if i had to say something, obviously it would be positive. dude was clearly the most over and they were going to put the belt on him. thats nowhere near flop status. ive been saying for years that the term "flop" should be abolished because barely anybody uses the term properly anymore.
yes, warrior was one of the few wwf attractions for the pro-wcw crowd. wcw was assembling the best of the best, dream matches left & right. marque names that were already in wcw mixed in with the wwf's big names. we finally had a chance to see sting & luger mesh with hogan & savage. we finally got to see flair/hogan really go at it. then you had all these great workers in the mix. the warrior was that missing piece that everybody wanted to see over there.....hence the creation of the renegade. so you dam right that warrior was keeping the wwf alive that summer, even tho he wasnt even on the set like that, he was still vital. as soon as he left, that chit looked dead. and you can watch the old episodes now and still get that feeling.
we've already established that cena is a money grab for kids. im just saying that he doesnt belong in the same sentence as warrior, goldberg or lesnar.
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Damn my nikka Wacky is back. Business just picked up!
Aight man... so you're a Warrior mark, basically. Not knockin' you, that's just what it is. Cause if you think Warrior and his unimportant feuds with Lawler and Goldust were energizing the WWF and somehow pulling ratings in the summer of '96, you'd have to be a Warrior mark.
You're right, Warrior WAS a name that had people excited from 1988 to 1992... and when it seemed he was coming back to WCW, there was hype around it. Then came the Renegade and the hype died. Then the Warrior came back to WWF at Mania XII to a lot of hype... and then the hype died. Then in '98, he came to WCW in '98 to a lot of hype and a great reaction... and then the hype died. This is what happened. Like I said, show me how he popped ratings or money for WWF when he came back in 1996, and I'll admit you're right about it. Otherwise, the shyt was a three-month run that just... came and went. You said it looked dead without him... but if that's the case, it looked dead even WITH him. I doubt that by '96, WWF fans were watching Michaels, Undertaker, Bret, Vader, Diesel, Razor, Owen, whoever and REALLY thinkin' "damn, the Warrior needs to come back". He had been gone for years at that point. When he came back it was cool, but I don't know where you got all that stuff about him winning the title and whatnot. He didn't get it as live as you think he did, otherwise his absence would've left some kinda void in the company and it didn't.
But beside that, I still give Warrior all the props he deserves. Matter fact, it says a lot about his INITIAL popularity that he could disappear for years at a time and the fans still responded when he returned. But let's call a spade a spade with them comebacks. shyts were hot for like three weeks. This is almost as bad as when you tried to say McGruff had a bunch of hits.
Damn my nikka Wacky is back. Business just picked up!
WAAAAHHHHH!!!!
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Aight man... so you're a Warrior mark, basically. Not knockin' you, that's just what it is. Cause if you think Warrior and his unimportant feuds with Lawler and Goldust were energizing the WWF and somehow pulling ratings in the summer of '96, you'd have to be a Warrior mark.
You're right, Warrior WAS a name that had people excited from 1988 to 1992... and when it seemed he was coming back to WCW, there was hype around it. Then came the Renegade and the hype died. Then the Warrior came back to WWF at Mania XII to a lot of hype... and then the hype died. Then in '98, he came to WCW in '98 to a lot of hype and a great reaction... and then the hype died. This is what happened. Like I said, show me how he popped ratings or money for WWF when he came back in 1996, and I'll admit you're right about it. Otherwise, the shyt was a three-month run that just... came and went. You said it looked dead without him... but if that's the case, it looked dead even WITH him. I doubt that by '96, WWF fans were watching Michaels, Undertaker, Bret, Vader, Diesel, Razor, Owen, whoever and REALLY thinkin' "damn, the Warrior needs to come back". He had been gone for years at that point. When he came back it was cool, but I don't know where you got all that stuff about him winning the title and whatnot. He didn't get it as live as you think he did, otherwise his absence would've left some kinda void in the company and it didn't.
But beside that, I still give Warrior all the props he deserves. Matter fact, it says a lot about his INITIAL popularity that he could disappear for years at a time and the fans still responded when he returned. But let's call a spade a spade with them comebacks. shyts were hot for like three weeks. This is almost as bad as when you tried to say McGruff had a bunch of hits.
i dont mark for other men.
the bottom line is that youre mis-using the word "flop". theres really nothing to argue about. sure, his run was only hot for 3 months. thats because HE WAS ONLY THERE FOR 3 MONTHS. what the hell do you expect?and quit puttin words in my mouth with that mcgruff stuff. this is the corny chit that i be talkin about with you.
and youre revising history. are you really gonna sit up here and act like people werent clamoring for warrior's return all thru the '90s? from the smarks to the most casual sometimey fans, warrior was always a hot topic. the same way people wanted goldberg in either TNA or WWE all thru the '00s, even after the WWE tried to play him out. i cant believe what im reading right now. and lol @ acting like that regime of wwf wrestlers(i dont know why your listing vader. he came in with warrior.) had people satisfied. like they werent the group that dropped the ball.
yes, warrior was on the verge of winning the belt. they were gonna have vader go over hbk and transition the title to warrior.
unimportant feuds? so what were the important ones? not saying that them chits were epic, but lets not exaggerate.
how did he not get it live?
he was the most popular wrestler when he was there/
WAAAAHHHHH!!!!
WE IN HERE.
i dont mark for other men.
and quit puttin words in my mouth with that mcgruff stuff. this is the corny chit that i be talkin about with you.
and youre revising history. are you really gonna sit up here and act like people werent clamoring for warrior's return all thru the '90s? from the smarks to the most casual sometimey fans, warrior was always a hot topic. the same way people wanted goldberg in either TNA or WWE all thru the '00s, even after the WWE tried to play him out. i cant believe what im reading right now. and lol @ acting like that regime of wwf wrestlers(i dont know why your listing vader. he came in with warrior.) had people satisfied. like they werent the group that dropped the ball.
yes, warrior was on the verge of winning the belt. they were gonna have vader go over hbk and transition the title to warrior.
unimportant feuds? so what were the important ones? not saying that them chits were epic, but lets not exaggerate.
how did he not get it live?
nikka you know you said that McGruff shyt, don't renege now
I acknowledged that people clamored for a return... but once those returns happened, they fell flat, in BOTH companies. His only comeback that REALLY popped was the time in '92 when he came back at Mania... and he had only been gone for 8 months. But them other ones? Man please. I didn't say people were into WWF's product that heavy in '96... but the people who were, obviously liked it with or without Warrior cause they were the only ones watching it before AND after he came back. Everybody else at that time was definitely fukkin' with WCW harder. You still can't show me anything indicating that he was drawing or some major shift in interest happened when he came back. The run wasn't that hot man... shyt came and went.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
these clit lick'n motherfukcers be kill'n me.
puppet ache...curses and says dikkwad.
holding the wwe title and says someone is the most unprofessional mother bleep he ever worked with.
cuss'n is not professional, cripple ache.
art barr
puppet ache...curses and says dikkwad.
holding the wwe title and says someone is the most unprofessional mother bleep he ever worked with.
cuss'n is not professional, cripple ache.
art barr
nikka you know you said that McGruff shyt, don't renege now
I acknowledged that people clamored for a return... but once those returns happened, they fell flat, in BOTH companies. His only comeback that REALLY popped was the time in '92 when he came back at Mania... and he had only been gone for 8 months. But them other ones? Man please. I didn't say people were into WWF's product that heavy in '96... but the people who were, obviously liked it with or without Warrior cause they were the only ones watching it before AND after he came back. Everybody else at that time was definitely fukkin' with WCW harder. You still can't show me anything indicating that he was drawing or some major shift in interest happened when he came back. The run wasn't that hot man... shyt came and went.
im not reneging chit. i said that mcgruff had a couple radio hits. all this extra chit youre adding into it like "you said he had a bunch of hits" is some sucka chit and i shot that bullchit down a bunch of times. you even tried putting those words in my mouth numerous time in that very thread. thats some sucka chit. knock it off and grow up.
and heres another one: you keep making it seem like im trying to say that his '96 run was shutting the game down. thats not what i said at all, and i made it clear to you 5 times already. the hell is wrong with you homie? i mean, if you have some type of social or comprehension problem, let me know in a PM and i'll just fallback.
and yes, there were lots of people who were moreso into wcw or on the verge of being such that stayed in tune with the wwf moreso because the warrior was there. and when he left, thats when the gap really started to widen.
and yes, even after he got fired, the warrior was still a major commodity that people wanted to see return. hell, are we gonna act like there werent warrior rumors all the way to the mid-00s? we gonna act like there wasnt huge talk about him joining and/or appearing in TNA & WWA?
im not reneging chit. i said that mcgruff had a couple radio hits. all this extra chit youre adding into it like "you said he had a bunch of hits" is some sucka chit and i shot that bullchit down a bunch of times. you even tried putting those words in my mouth numerous time in that very thread. thats some sucka chit. knock it off and grow up.
and heres another one: you keep making it seem like im trying to say that his '96 run was shutting the game down. thats not what i said at all, and i made it clear to you 5 times already. the hell is wrong with you homie? i mean, if you have some type of social or comprehension problem, let me know in a PM and i'll just fallback.
and yes, there were lots of people who were moreso into wcw or on the verge of being such that stayed in tune with the wwf moreso because the warrior was there. and when he left, thats when the gap really started to widen.
and yes, even after he got fired, the warrior was still a major commodity that people wanted to see return. hell, are we gonna act like there werent warrior rumors all the way to the mid-00s? we gonna act like there wasnt huge talk about him joining and/or appearing in TNA & WWA?
Still waiting on that proof that Warrior was drawing anything in '96. April to July... any day now...
Not sayin' the dude wasn't over... just sayin' he wasn't as poppin' that year as you remember it. Your comprehension is tellin' you he was, but truth says he wasn't. Actin' like a Warrior/Lawler feud saved the company that spring
what proof do you want? he wasnt even on tv like that. the point is that he drew alot of interest/kept alot of interest & excitement in the product.
he was also, the main person that people wanted to see on every show i attended during that time. he also got the biggest pops on just about every show that he was on? what more proof do you need?
and again, stop putting words in my mouth with that warrior/lawler chit. stop acting like a wierdo man.
he was also, the main person that people wanted to see on every show i attended during that time. he also got the biggest pops on just about every show that he was on? what more proof do you need?
and again, stop putting words in my mouth with that warrior/lawler chit. stop acting like a wierdo man.