when you compare the finals opponents of Lebron, Jordan and Kobe

[Draje]

shyt... If that's how you feel. Who am I to question your basketball acumen?

That’s how you feel based off what you said.

You’re saying that Pippen is a better player than Kobe since 6 is better than 5, right?

 

[Draje]

Dipo a two time MVP

Nash a 6’3 Canadian CAC and he put up sky high numbers on great efficiency but you acting like Kobe is above getting his ass whooped in the playoffs. Kobe lost TWO STRAIGHT MVPs to him, let him come back from a 3-1 lead, and gave him that Work in two playoffs. Had Kobe crying for help.

 

[Draje]

The smartest thing Bron ever did was create super teams to win as he put himself into conversations that he doesn’t truly belong in. He didn’t stay with one team and turn it into a finals contender (Jordan) and he didn’t stay with one team during the lean years until it was rebuilt (Kobe). Every few years he just sits down with his handlers and strategizes on which team can get him the most rings. And for some reason after Bron gets all these good ass players on his team people try to pretend as if they’re not as good as they are like Love and Kyrie aren’t number one options, like Bosh and Wade aren’t number one options. Pippen was not a number one option. Odom, Bynum and Gasol weren’t number one options. Even if you wanna bring up Shaq, it wasn’t like the Lakers made a conscious decision to have Shaq and Kobe. Kobe was a 18 yo rookie who ended up becoming that good. He wasn’t a superstar who decided to come join Shaq. If Jordan had Kyrie as a teammate, boy, he’d be showing his ass out there. Ditto for Kobe. It’s crazy how winning changes perceptions so much even if you stacked the deck to do it.

How many playoff appearances and wins did Bosh, Kyrie, and Love have as number options?

Was it more or less than Gasol?

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I'm not sure why I quoted you either...


You stupid.

You’re a child.

You’re petty insults mean nothing and show you can’t talk like a man without getting emotional.

So we probably should never speak to each other again till you grow up

Martha

 

[TheNig]

That’s how you feel based off what you said.

You’re saying that Pippen is a better player than Kobe since 6 is better than 5, right?

That ain't what I said. But if you wanna play semantics....

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Nash a 6’3 Canadian CAC and he put up sky high numbers on great efficiency but you acting like Kobe is above getting his ass whooped in the playoffs. Kobe lost TWO STRAIGHT MVPs to him, let him come back from a 3-1 lead, and gave him that Work in two playoffs. Had Kobe crying for help.

Breh you bi-polar or something?

Didn’t you say this before

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I crack jokes about Kobe losing against the Suns, ALL THE DAMN TIME, but no one sane really thinks that series should be an indictment on his legacy even if he choked a 3-1 league just like OKC is getting blasted for doing. Because the context of those "chokes" is that Kobe was over-performing with an obviously inferior team and OKC had two top players on the same team choking away.

I just think things should be looked at in context.

LeBron James has been favored to win the Finals 2 out of 6 times

So I don’t know why you keep bringing up Nash beating Kobe when you yourself already admitted Steve Nash had a better team

Also the MVP is the regular season, if playoffs counted towards the MVP then why the fukk James Harden got one you dikkhead? Kobe was putting up historical numbers and dragging a team with Chris Mihm, Kwame brown, smush Parker and Luke Walton to the playoffs in a tough west while Nash has a far superior team

Oh but I forgot, Lebron is the only person we praise for putting up historical numbers while dragging bad teams to the playoffs, even though those Cavs teams was better than the mid 2000 lakers and played in a weaker East. My badi forgot nikkas like you @Draje reserve that type of logic for y’all daddy Lebron
And When Kobe got the right team he raped the suns


And that nikka you quoted agreed Nash was a great player hence him bringing up being a two time MVP. Of course that wasn’t the response you’d expected as you wanted nikkas to be outraged so you write this bullshyt lol

 

[Draje]

Breh you bi-polar or something?

Didn’t you say this before



LeBron James has been favored to win the Finals 2 out of 6 times

So I don’t know why you keep bringing up Nash beating Kobe when you yourself already admitted Steve Nash had a better team

Also the MVP is the regular season, if playoffs counted towards the MVP then why the fukk James Harden got one you dikkhead? Kobe was putting up historical numbers and dragging a team with Chris Mihm, Kwame brown, smush Parker and Luke Walton to the playoffs in a tough west while Nash has a far superior team

Oh but I forgot, Lebron is the only person we praise for putting up historical numbers while dragging bad teams to the playoffs, even though those Cavs teams was better than the mid 2000 lakers and played in a weaker East. My badi forgot nikkas like you @Draje reserve that type of logic for y’all daddy Lebron
And When Kobe got the right team he raped the suns


And that nikka you quoted agreed Nash was a great player hence him bringing up being a two time MVP. Of course that wasn’t the response you’d expected as you wanted nikkas to be outraged so you write this bullshyt lol

I’m pointing out the stupid hypocrisy of using “5>3 “ is a stupid ass argument that doesn’t hold weight.

You dumb fukks bring up Lebron losing to the Celtics, Magic, Spurs, and Warriors even though they were obviously better teams than Lebron’s. Lebron played outta his mind against the Magic but he can’t guard 5 positions so they got beat.

Y’all up Kobe for his great performances BEFORE the finals in one breath but Lebron has multiple great games before the finals too. Y’all then say no one cares about confrence finals and the finals is where GOATs are decided but then Kobe’s lackluster final numbers with Shaq get ignored.

Your logic is trash. Who cares they played in a weaker East? Nothing changes if Kobe and Lebron’s team switch conferences in the mid 2000s. Lebron probably loses against the Suns or Spurs, Kobe loses in the finals after getting through the East if he can get past the Pistons who have always given him hell. Take Lebron and Kobe off those respective teams to have them play in a series, that shyt goes 7. The difference is minuscule at best.

Put Lebron on those Shaq teams and they win 3 rings with little issue. We’ve seen a less than Prime Shaq win with Wade so pretty much any version of Lebron after 2004 would be fine.

And you talking random regular season stats like Lebron couldn’t easily have 2-3 more MVPs too? 2005 - Lebron has 31/7/6. 2006 - 27-7-7 while winning more games.

If Hardem was putting up those numbers but only had 42 wins, barely over 500, y’all would laugh that nikka put the gym.

So WHO CARES? I don’t care if you think Kobe is better than Lebron. Using stupid ass 5 is better than 3 as your argument is stupid as fukk. Using final losses, like Kobe losing a 3-1 lead to Steve Nash is somehow better than Lebron losing against a team with his two best players injured or losing against a team with Curry, Durant, and Klay because he played them in a later series.

Y’all make stupid arguments like “Kobe would never let Dipo stop him from getting to the finals” like those Suns were somehow these playoff juggernauts despite the fact that Nash has never seen a finals.

 

[Draje]

Breh you bi-polar or something?

Didn’t you say this before



LeBron James has been favored to win the Finals 2 out of 6 times

So I don’t know why you keep bringing up Nash beating Kobe when you yourself already admitted Steve Nash had a better team

Also the MVP is the regular season, if playoffs counted towards the MVP then why the fukk James Harden got one you dikkhead? Kobe was putting up historical numbers and dragging a team with Chris Mihm, Kwame brown, smush Parker and Luke Walton to the playoffs in a tough west while Nash has a far superior team

Oh but I forgot, Lebron is the only person we praise for putting up historical numbers while dragging bad teams to the playoffs, even though those Cavs teams was better than the mid 2000 lakers and played in a weaker East. My badi forgot nikkas like you @Draje reserve that type of logic for y’all daddy Lebron
And When Kobe got the right team he raped the suns


And that nikka you quoted agreed Nash was a great player hence him bringing up being a two time MVP. Of course that wasn’t the response you’d expected as you wanted nikkas to be outraged so you write this bullshyt lol

When he got the right team? You’re bragging about Kobe going off on a 35 year old Nash and being checked by a 37 year old GRANT HILL WHO WAS STARTING? The suns were T
THE 23rd worst defense in the league that year, you moron. That’s what you’re bragging about? A bottom 10 defensive team coached by one of the worst defensive coaches around starting two men over the age of 35?

To put that into contest, KG and PP were 34 and 35 when Lebron beat them in Miami but congrats on Kobe putting up numbers against one of the worst defenses in the league. The Dipo led Pacers? 13th best defense in the league. The Raptors Lebron swept had the 5th best defense and 2nd best offensive rating. The Celtics were the BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR and you bumping your chest on that lmao but you’ll ignore all this.

 

[10bandz]

How many playoff appearances and wins did Bosh, Kyrie, and Love have as number options?

Was it more or less than Gasol?

Chris Bosh didn't get swept every year in Toronto. Pau did in Memphis.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

I’m pointing out the stupid hypocrisy of using “5>3 “ is a stupid ass argument that doesn’t hold weight.

Trojan didn’t say that, the nig did

Your logic is trash. Who cares they played in a weaker East?

Nikka stfu. If the 2007 cavs played in the west, they wouldn’t have made the finals. They would have lost to the Spurs in the second round instead of the actual finals they lost to them in


If the 2018 Cavs played in the west, they wouldn’t have made the finals, they would have lost to the warriors before hand, if they wouldn’t have lost to the rockets before hand


Now those 05-07 lakers was 45-37 which was a 7th seed in the west. Had they played in the east, that was a 4th seed behind the Nets, Cavs and Detroit. Context you dumb muthafukker

Put Lebron on those Shaq teams and they win 3 rings with little issue. We’ve seen a less than Prime Shaq win with Wade so pretty much any version of Lebron after 2004 would be fine.

Give Kobe Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Ray Allen and Possibly Anthony Davis in a matter of 6 years with Lebron health and Pat Riley/Magic Johnson overseeing shyt instead of that grange front office the lakers had towards Kobe’s retirement, and he’d end his career with 12 rings


Trade Charles Barkley for Horace grant and Barkley has a ring


Trade Steve Kerr for John Stockton and Stockton has a ring


See how that works fakkit?


And ignore Wade shooting almost 100 free throws that 06 series with shaq,?and was down 0-2 in a series most people called rigged


But you wanna be talking about “We’ve seen a less than Prime Shaq win with Wade” nikka shut up the free throw line won that series.


And you know I fukks with Wade so a big fukk yOu for even making me say this

And you talking random regular season stats like Lebron couldn’t easily have 2-3 more MVPs too? 2005 - Lebron has 31/7/6. 2006 - 27-7-7 while winning more games.

Wtf does this have to do with Kobe putting up historic numbers while dragging Weaker teams to playoffs vs Steven Nash playing with fukking D’antoni?

If Hardem was putting up those numbers but only had 42 wins, barely over 500, y’all would laugh that nikka put the gym.

OKC won 47 games, 2 more than Kobe won in 06, and got whooped out the first round and Westbrook won mvp.


Stfu boy

So WHO CARES? I don’t care if you think Kobe is better than Lebron. Using stupid ass 5 is better than 3 as your argument is stupid as fukk. Using final losses, like Kobe losing a 3-1 lead to Steve Nash is somehow better than Lebron losing against a team with his two best players injured or losing against a team with Curry, Durant, and Klay because he played them in a later series.

Oh now you want Kobe and Lebron to be in the same playing field? After years of explaining why he’s better. Naw nikka don’t play that shyt with me


Lebron the GOAT right? Bron better than MJ right? Then yes he’s held to a different standard. Yes fukking finals loses count. Yes every lose will be used aganist him


Don’t give me that “bUt yAll dOnT sAy dAt bOut kObE” bullshyt when y’all always at Lebron is levels higher.


Well you know what? Yea, Lebron is on a higher level than Kobe, and he will be held to a higher standard than Kobe


Cause when people used to argue MJ vs Kobe, the narrative was Kobe wasn’t shyt till he won a ring without Shaq and he made it his personal goal to win 6. Lebron is now held to a standard where we praise your victories and mock your losses. DEAL WITH IT cause it ain’t only Kobe stans who say it


Jordan stans say it


So does KD and Steph stans and both of them washed Lebron in the finals so I dare you to talk shyt bout them

Y’all make stupid arguments like “Kobe would never let Dipo stop him from getting to the finals” like those Suns were somehow these playoff juggernauts despite the fact that Nash has never seen a finals.

Cause when Kobe actually had a fukking squad(Lebron voice) he went to 3 straight finals and 2/3. Lebron has had good squads for close to a decade and is below 500 in finals you dikkhead

@Draje

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

When he got the right team? You’re bragging about Kobe going off on a 35 year old Nash and being checked by a 37 year old GRANT HILL WHO WAS STARTING? The suns were T

THE 23rd worst defense in the league that year, you moron. That’s what you’re bragging about? A bottom 10 defensive team coached by one of the worst defensive coaches around starting two men over the age of 35?

Ohhhhhh so when Nash,Amare,D’antoni Suns we’re bullying a lakers team with fukking Chis mihm? Luke Walton, Smush parker, kwame brown and Lamar Odom being the only decent mothefukkdf besides Kobe. It was all Cool


But NOW IM SUPOOSE TO FEEL SORRY FOR The SUNS CAUSE NASH WAS 35, ONLY 4 YEARS OLDER THAN KOBE?


Derek Fisher was 35

Nash was 35


Amare was 27

Pau Gasol was 29


Jason Richardson was 29

Ron artist was 29



Everybody else on both rosters were around the same age and Jason Richardson would take turns guarding Kobe


You want to talk about age


Talk about Lebron stans bragging about him beating a


34 year old Piru P

35 year old KG

36 year old Ray Allen


All while Bron and Bosh was 26 and Wade was 28


Let’s talk about Lebron going 7 with a


37 year old Tim Duncan

36 year old Manu


While being guarded by young ass 22 year old Kawhi leonard


Let’s talk about that @Draje since age so important to you you fakkit

To put that into contest, KG and PP were 34 and 35 when Lebron beat them in Miami but congrats on Kobe

Naw nikka you made sure to mention this first cause you knew I’d mention it after you brought up grant hill. You think you’ll slick littting our bron beating older players so I couldn’t, but it’s too late

putting up numbers against one of the worst defenses in the league.

Nikka I don’t give a fukk

Lebron Beat a a team that lost 2 of their main stars and was led by al horrified and two nikkas ain’t even old enough to drink. He swept a raptors team that did all but get on their knees and suck his dixk.

Don’t even talk to me nikka

The Dipo led Pacers? 13th best defense in the league

The Raptors Lebron swept had the 5th best defense and 2nd best offensive rating. The Celtics were the BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR and you bumping your chest on that lmao but you’ll ignore all this.

You know why this fails? cause Kobe beat the Celtics and the Magic, two teams that beat Lebron even though Lebron was #1 twice and had a 66 win season.


Also, the “GOAT” went 7 with victor oladipo and a guy who averaged 12 on 39% shooting. He went 7 with fukking Jason Tatum and Jaylen brown. A Celtics team that lost damn near every road game they was on except that one game the 76ers choked to them in the playoffs? Oh them nikkas?




“bUt bUt BeSt dEfEnSiVE”nikka watch me beat my chest while I prove to you why Lebron ain’t the GOAT

You got the right one @Draje i got time today

 

[Knicksgarbageforever]

@Jordan>Bron handing out fades in here

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nash and Amare didn't exist I guess

You had the entire Pacers' roster other than Oladipo not existing, fool.

Pacers had 7 guys average double-figures in that series, outside of LeBron the ONLY Cav to average double-figures was Love with 11ppg on 32% shooting.



LeBron had 46-12-5 on 70% shooting to squeak out a 3-point win in Game 2. Love had 15 on 5-16 shooting and Korver had 12, otherwise NO ONE on the Cavs had more than 6 points.

Kobe loses that game and it isn't even close.

LeBron had 32-13-7 on 55% shooting and 2 blocks to squeak out Game 4.

Kobe probably loses that one too and the series is over already.

LeBron had 44-10-8 on 58% shooting plus the game-preserving block and game-winning three to win Game 5.

If Kobe hadn't already gotten swept, he's definitely losing in 5.

LeBron had 45-8-7 on 64% shooting and 4 steals to win Game 7 by 4.

Kobe had NEVER had a closeout game like that in his entire career. But it doesn't matter cause he never would have gotten there.

LeBron didn't have ONE teammate get a 20-point game all series. Not one. Against a team with 7 guys averaging double-figures. And he still won the series.


And Kobe losing against the Pacers don't even matter, cause he would have lost against the Raptors and the Celtics too.

Kobe couldn't even put up any wins like that in 2006 or 2007 with more help and against worst defenses.

 

[cobra]

Give Kobe Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, Ray Allen and Possibly Anthony Davis in a matter of 6 years with Lebron health he’d end his career with 12 rings

shaq is better than all those players
plus he was the unquestioned alpha on those lakers teams

....beta rings should be more worthless than KD rings

 

[Trojan 24]

You had the entire Pacers' roster other than Oladipo not existing, fool.

Pacers had 7 guys average double-figures in that series, outside of LeBron the ONLY Cav to average double-figures was Love with 11ppg on 32% shooting.



LeBron had 46-12-5 on 70% shooting to squeak out a 3-point win in Game 2. Love had 15 on 5-16 shooting and Korver had 12, otherwise NO ONE on the Cavs had more than 6 points.

Kobe loses that game and it isn't even close.

LeBron had 32-13-7 on 55% shooting and 2 blocks to squeak out Game 4.

Kobe probably loses that one too and the series is over already.

LeBron had 44-10-8 on 58% shooting plus the game-preserving block and game-winning three to win Game 5.

If Kobe hadn't already gotten swept, he's definitely losing in 5.

LeBron had 45-8-7 on 64% shooting and 4 steals to win Game 7 by 4.

Kobe had NEVER had a closeout game like that in his entire career. But it doesn't matter cause he never would have gotten there.

LeBron didn't have ONE teammate get a 20-point game all series. Not one. Against a team with 7 guys averaging double-figures. And he still won the series.


And Kobe losing against the Pacers don't even matter, cause he would have lost against the Raptors and the Celtics too.

Kobe couldn't even put up any games like that in 2006 or 2007 with more help and against worst defenses.

We just making up fantasy scenarios now

KLove would have been putting work in on the block with kobe instead of camping in the corner so I'll just ignore that.