When will people accept that Lebron is better/as good as than Jordan

[#1 pick]

Bron doesnt have the offensive arsenal to drop 60 like Jordan lets be real. His scoring ability consists of crashing the paint, mid range shot, free throws, and binge 3's that he usually makes cause players play off him. Jordan is a far better scorer, its not even debateable. He was just more skilled in that aspect. Jordan shouldnt be faulted for lack of passing vision because that wasnt his mindset. He wasnt trying to create for his teammates he created for himself, and so far I can say MJ's strategy/outlook has been more conducive to winning than Bron's. If Bron has MJ's mentality, he doesnt lose to the considerably less talented Dallas Squad. And plus, its already been proven that when certain players focus their attention to passing, they can rack up just as many assist as Bron. Peep Jordan averaging 11 assist in a month, peep Kobe this year. Bron shouldnt get credit for having a passive mindset.

Since when is scorer the end all be all to being a great player. If that's the case, Nique>Duncan and Bill Russell. VC>>Bill Russell.

Lebron will never need to drop 60 in a game. His game is based around getting his team into set for decent shots and making the best TEAM decision. He is not a scoring minded player like MJ or Kobe. He is a pass minded player who can score.

Lebron scoring ability will not be as versed as MJ because it doesn't need to be but with that said, he very good at a lot of things offensively. He can post up, has good moves, understands how to pass out of the post, can pass on the perimeter, looks to get his teammates the best looks, can attack the basket at will, can hit the three, is a monster on the mid-range. Doesn't have the quickest first step like MJ but his second and 3rd step is like a fright train.

Jordan shouldnt be faulted for lack of passing vision because that wasnt his mindset. He wasnt trying to create for his teammates he created for himself

Whoa? But Bron is faulted for not having the mindset to score 60? What in the world of McGee are you talking about?

Sorry breh but how is MJ style more conducive to winning than Lebron. I think you got it completely backwards. You do realize MJ has never made it out of the 1st round without Scottie Pippen. Lebron made it to the NBA Finals with Mo Williams and old Big Z. Another fantasy created by MJ fans.

If Bron has MJ's mentality, he doesnt lose to the considerably less talented Dallas Squad.

I talked about this in the previous post and no, Miami was not considerably more talented than Dallas or they would have smoked Dallas. Lebron and Wade was considerably more talented than Dallas players but this is a team sport. Dallas 1-10 was a very talented team. Almost no wasted players coming off the of bench. They all fit a particular skill-set. Miami had guys starting like Joel Anthony and rookies like Pittman getting PT. Some of those guys should have been in the D-League, not the NBA Finals. Name one championship team who had straight up scrubs getting key minutes like Miami. Maybe LA with Samaki Walker and he wasn't a scrub at the time in that NBA, that would have been someone like Slava or Madsen.

Since when did assists equal you can pass. Conley is one of the best passers in the NBA and so is Deron but Westbrook who has no court vision unless his slashing has more assists. MJ assists are not playmaking assists. It's more like he's doubled or usage assists. It's not playmaking assists though.

 

[Dwight Howard]

Jordan being a better defender is not a fact, it's debatable. Very debatable

And Jordan is a SLIGHTLY better scorer than Lebron. That's why I said comparable. Jordan just has a better jump shot which gives him a slight edge

Peyton is a million times better passer than Vick.

Comparison doesn't hold weight.

nah Jordan having a jumpshot give him a huge edge. Teams werent slacking off on Jordan, yet teams playoff Bron all the damn time.

 

[FreshAIG]

You aint trying to say Bron is on MJ level in scoring are you... Defense also is a big gap. Bron should be compared to Magic not MJ just because the scoring aspect between them is that big

Yes he is. Jordan was slightly better, but he wasn't significantly better

And in no way was Jordan way better defender than Lebron. He barely was if at all. Lebron is faster, taller and stronger than Jordan. And shuts down nearly every player he's asked to guard.

 

[puppetmaster]

I don't personally believe he is there yet.


What's scary tho is that this conversation really does have merit and we are talking about comparing Mike to a dude that is JUST now entering his prime. Barring injury or some wild mental collapse the numbers, highlights and intangibles will be quite difficult to argue against when its said and done. Being as athletic as he is but able to bully big men if he had to is a hell of an advantage now that he's got that mental edge/chip on his shoulder.





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[#1 pick]

Can someone who is a diehard MJ fan show me how MJ is a better defender than Lebron? This nonsense by MJ fans has to end. It really does.

 

[King Biko]

Jordan is a better scorer and defender. The 2 most important aspects in the game

The ONLY thin Bron does better is pass (and thats by prefence) and off-ball defense. Jordan was also a better rebounder for his position.

Averaging 6 rebounds as a 6'6 SG >>>> averaging 7 as a 6'8 SF

Jordan could pass almost if not as good as magic. He showed it for like a week str8 and averaged easy triple doubles. Don't sleep on mj as a passer. Just wasn't his most effective asset but he was a great passer.

 

[King Biko]

Can someone who is a diehard MJ fan show me how MJ is a better defender than Lebron? This nonsense by MJ fans has to end. It really does.

Defensive player of the year in a big man era pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[#1 pick]

Defensive player of the year in a big man era pretty much speaks for itself.

That's a media given award. It doesn't matter nor does it count since it is not a scientific measure. It's writers choosing who they like most looking at stat sheets.

 

[FreshAIG]

nah Jordan having a jumpshot give him a huge edge. Teams werent slacking off on Jordan, yet teams playoff Bron all the damn time.

Why does his jump shot give him a huge advantage? Who cares HOW they score as long as they both do? The jump shot only gives Jordan an edge because that spin fade gave him an extra 2-3 points per game. As far as efficiency, Lebron scores 2 less points a game for his career than Jordan, on 5 less shots.

 

[#1 pick]

Jordan could pass almost if not as good as magic. He showed it for like a week str8 and averaged easy triple doubles. Don't sleep on mj as a passer. Just wasn't his most effective asset but he was a great passer.

MJ fans

 

[FreshAIG]

MJ fans

LMAO I love Jordan fans. They really just make up shyt as they go bro

 

[Savior]

Do we need to have this same thread every week now with the same couple of Bron stans arguing the same shyt over and over?

 

[Dwight Howard]

Why does his jump shot give him a huge advantage? Who cares HOW they score as long as they both do? The jump shot only gives Jordan an edge because that spin fade gave him an extra 2-3 points per game. As far as efficiency, Lebron scores 2 less points a game for his career than Jordan, on 5 less shots.

the efficiency argument doesnt work considering the less efficient player won more than the most efficient one. The object of the game is to win. And Jordan having a better jumpshot makes him a much more versatile scorer. You will see in a few years.

 

[FreshAIG]

the efficiency argument doesnt work considering the less efficient player won more than the most efficient one. The object of the game is to win. And Jordan having a better jumpshot makes him a much more versatile scorer. You will see in a few years.

Jordan won because he had a better team than Lebron, and it's not even close.

 

[#1 pick]

nah Jordan having a jumpshot give him a huge edge. Teams werent slacking off on Jordan, yet teams playoff Bron all the damn time.

Let's think where each player gets the rock. MJ is usually within the 3pt line when he got the ball in the 90's. In the 80's, teams backed off on him constantly especially Cleveland and Portland. When they got the triangle offense, the spots where MJ was getting the ball was favorable to MJ's hot spots.

Bron on the other hand runs the offense. His role is different but if you were any NBA team, wouldn't you give Lebron the 3 and hope he is off?