Atsym Sknyfs
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why is it out of character ... Anakin's motives in AOTC and ROTS are based off a dreams of his mother and padme dying...
even yoda had visions of Anakin killing the sand people
When the going gets tough: Yoda, Obi-wan and Luke all hid like b1tches in solitude for decades
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why is it out of character ... Anakin's motives in AOTC and ROTS are based off a dreams of his mother and padme dying...
even yoda had visions of Anakin killing the sand people
I didn't understand the whole irredeemable thing with Ben either.This is what kind of ruined the Last Jedi for me now that I've had time to let the movie marinate for a bit.
Both Obi Wan and Yoda were insisting that Luke needed to kill Vader, but Luke came through and proved himself to be different from those guys.
Yoda or Obi-wan might give up or lay low in the middle of nowhere for 30 years, but Luke was clearly set up to be different form those guys. He represented hope, and was the beginning of a new generation that would surpass the old masters.
Luke was willing to lay his own life down on the chance that there was still good left in Vader.
I find it hard to believe that such a hopeful and optimistic character would just totally cut himself off and give up like that after managing to successfully turn Vader of all people.
It seems really out of character to try to kill his own student almost entirely on a premonition after redeeming his father who had murdered millions, if not billions. And even in the case that he were to do so, Luke wouldn't wait so long to make any effort to right that wrong. This is the same guy that prematurely cut off his training with Yoda to go flying off to the other end of the galaxy to face Vader by himself in an attempt save Leia and the others. And they couldn't even get him to leave his island in episode VIII? There were parts of the Last Jedi that I liked, but the treatment of the OG characters leaves a really bitter taste in my mouth.
These last two movies have effectively rendered all of the sacrifice, and struggle of the rebellion an utterly meaningless and pointless waste of time on every possible level. The OG characters deserved a happier ending than this. It's great that they want to pass the torch because it's not Luke's story anymore, but it was still possible to build up new characters and let them shine without going out of their way to tear down all of the original heroes from the past films.
One of the biggest problems is that they killed Luke off before he could get a more fleshed out redemption arc on his part, and that we never really got to see an epic battle where he truly cut loose in person and got to show us the Jedi Master he had truly become since we've last seen him. Not to mention that he got very little time to actually train Rey. His passing should have been saved for the next movie.
But it's cool though. It's not like Rey will ever need anybody's help with anything ever. It's not like she's ever going to struggle, fail, fall short, take L's, or make mistakes like the rest of us, or like better written protagonists from other movies, such as John McClane, Marty McFly, Ellen Ripley, Neo, Rocky Balboa, Sarah Connor, Harry Potter, Peter Parker, Charlie Bucket, the Bride, etc.
It's not like she's going to have to struggle with petty things like adversity, setbacks, or any kind of genuine character flaws that need to be overcome. It's not like she has any really well-defined, clear, tangible goals that are motivating her to become a Jedi, barring the fact that she was abandoned by her family in some past traumatic event that we're told next-to-nothing about for the second movie in a row. It's not like we have to worry whether she'll be able to rise to the challenge of beating Kylo Ren in the next movie, since we've already seen her do that in the first one and it's been established that she can fly, fight, and use the force better than anyone for no real reason. She'll be fine, brehs
@OrangeSodaStyle are you saying Rey is a Mary Sue?
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Rey would never do that shyt
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They did my man Luke dirty.
I agree she would just take on the whole empire, Vader, the emperor and the whole army of clone troopers and imperial forces but herself and win without a scratch
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I hate it had to be her because Daisy Ridley is a talented woman. But right now, my answer's a yes. I've been trying hard to give Rey the benefit of the doubt. I'm not trying to get stuck with the "hater" or "womanbasher" label, and that's not my problem with Rey. Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are great characters. With them, you see their development. You see them grow and mature, and they actually take L's and develop into cool heroes who save the day in the end as you see them get ahead from where they started. The issue with Rey is that she's just OP for no reason. When she's already at the top of the mountain from the moment we first meet her character, there's nothing left to shoot for. At first I was thinking that maybe she had trained in the past. Maybe they were setting her up for all of her flaws to come out. Maybe she had some kind of special lineage or there was more of an explanation for why she's able to do so much right out of the gate. But given what we have now and what they've established, I'm calling Mary Sue for now. I'm really hoping that changes, because I want to like Rey (and Finn, but that's another topic for some other conversation).
Some posters want to bring up Anakin as well, but again, Luke was set up to be different from those old-school Jedi. Luke was the guy who succeeded where his father failed. He turned from the Dark Side when Anakin embraced it. Even though it can be argued that he might fall short and make mistakes, I don't personally see Luke as the kind of character who would reasonably just give up like that. (It also helps that the prequels are mostly trash IMO.) But to each their own.
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Came in ready to cape, but then I searched my feelings 
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Sisko tricked his enemy to fight with him against another foe and lived with that burden.
Jedi would be like let's wait for the next generation
Smh
Oh I get it you actually hate star wars.
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where the hell did luke get that flask? can't even remember
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It was kinda silly they went into hiding given there are only ever two sith max at any given time.
What was their justification to running off while youngling's were getting their wigs split?
Younglings were dead already, they addressed this in the movie.
Two Sith who literally and legitimately (at that time) ruled the universe. It wasn't just that Palpatine had Vader/Clones, it's that he controlled the senate who CHOSE to stand by him - that's why Mace realized that Palpatine had to fukking die. Obi-Wan/Yoda were able to sneak around during RotS because Palpatine/Anakin didn't know they survived the purge - at the end of RotS they do, so I'm pretty sure they won't be caught slipping again.
Should also be noted that these niccaz literally figured out how to 'come back from the dead' during their solitude. Which indirectly caused the fall of the Empire/Sith.
Don't compare their shyts to Luke being a b!tch (which was bullshyt).