when did kobe fall out the discussion to be better then jordan

[Gotright]

or was he ever and the discussioni cant seem to remember people actually saying this as a debate beforeor was it just short lived

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

You mean "when will ?

 

[nomoreneveragain]

First Boston Final

 

[Thegospel]

When he lost a 3-1 lead to the Suns. Icing on the cake was Boston punking him. Lost a 24 point lead in the finals? Damn homie.

 

[Gotright]

First Boston Final

but my nikka lbj done did sum fukked up things in the finals what makes it so different

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

when people realized he would never be more than a bootleg version of Mike



it's like asking "what's the GOAT tool"... and you already got a metal hammer in Jordan, and someone hands you a plastic hammer (Kobe)... clearly it wouldn't be long before you threw that plastic hammer in the bushes

 

[Street Knowledge]

MJ will always have the better body of work

But I don't really see any evidence for mike being better if we're just talking about basketball skills. Even Phil has noted this

As for the postseason, prime Kobe and prime Michael performed on the same level or slightly different when facing similar defenses. The big difference is that Jordan faced more below average to Medicore defensive teams then Kobe especially in the finals.

Look at the defensive teams both have faced in the finals
Kobe:
2001 76ers - 98.9 DRtg (#5)
2002 Nets - 99.5 DRtg (#1)
2004 Pistons - 94.1 DRtg (#2)
2008 Celtics - 98.9 (#1)
2009 Magic - 101.9 DRtg (#1)
2010 Celtics - 103.8 DRtg (#5)

Jordan

1991' Lakers- 105.0 Drtg(#5)
1992' Blazers -104.2Drtg(#3)
1993 Suns- 106.7Drtg(#9)
1996 Sonics-102. DRtg(#2)
1997 Jazz-104.0 Drtg(#9)
1998 Jazz-105.4 Drtg(#17)

I mean its night and day.

 

[FTBS]

When Bron rose up and provided him with a contemporary foil. Only reason it's Bron vs. Mike now is because Kobe is clearly past his prime. Too bad they aren't closer in age. 28 year old Kobe vs. 28 year old Bron in the Finals.

 

[Broke Wave]

Kobe's still in the discussion. We're back.

 

[IGSaint12]

but my nikka lbj done did sum fukked up things in the finals what makes it so different

The media never like kobe to begin with anyway. They picked lebron from highschool so there's that.

Kobe has more accolades than lebron and even jordan said kobe is the only one close to him but the media likes lebron more.

 

[Gotright]

when people realized he would never be more than a bootleg version of Mike



it's like asking "what's the GOAT tool"... and you already got a metal hammer in Jordan, and someone hands you a plastic hammer (Kobe)... clearly it wouldn't be long before you threw that plastic hammer in the bushes

dam u hit it right on the head

 

[Da King]

MJ will always have the better body of work

But I don't really see any evidence for mike being better if we're just talking about basketball skills. Even Phil has noted this

As for the postseason, prime Kobe and prime Michael performed on the same level or slightly different when facing similar defenses. The big difference is that Jordan faced more below average to Medicore defensive teams then Kobe especially in the finals.

Look at the defensive teams both have faced in the finals
Kobe:
2001 76ers - 98.9 DRtg (#5)
2002 Nets - 99.5 DRtg (#1)
2004 Pistons - 94.1 DRtg (#2)
2008 Celtics - 98.9 (#1)
2009 Magic - 101.9 DRtg (#1)
2010 Celtics - 103.8 DRtg (#5)

Jordan

1991' Lakers- 105.0 Drtg(#5)
1992' Blazers -104.2Drtg(#3)
1993 Suns- 106.7Drtg(#9)
1996 Sonics-102. DRtg(#2)
1997 Jazz-104.0 Drtg(#9)
1998 Jazz-105.4 Drtg(#17)

I mean its night and day.

let's pretend that hand checking is still allowed and the NBA wasn't calling the game differently during 90s

 

[Broke Wave]

let's pretend that hand checking is still allowed and the NBA wasn't calling the game differently during 90s

Handchecking vs Zone... which has a bigger impact on defense.

 

[Thegospel]

but my nikka lbj done did sum fukked up things in the finals what makes it so different

Lebron has to make up for those. Kobe didn't do anything special with his last two rings to make up for those fails. I didn't see anything memorable. Lebron has time to make up for his fails. Kobe done

 

[FTBS]

The media never like kobe to begin with anyway. They picked lebron from highschool so there's that.

Kobe has more accolades than lebron and even jordan said kobe is the only one close to him but the media likes lebron more.

Yeah that's bullshyt. Where do nikkas even come up with this stuff? The media was ready to crown Kobe the next Jordan before this nikka even had a starting job.