when did black nationalism lose its seat at the black table?

[Booker T Garvey]

remember in the late 80's and early 90's, black nationalism and black knowledge was pretty much EVERYWHERE you looked:

so what the fukk happened!?!? I've heard people say DR DRE'S THE CHRONIC is what killed off this movement...anybody have any real insight as to what happened to our collective conscious?

any time a black man gets up to speak on nationalism, garveyism OTHER BLACK PEOPLE give them this:

seems like for the past 25 years, the only school of thought has been that of LIBERALISM and where has that gotten us? I'm a firm believer in BALANCE too much militancy is bad, but too much LIBERALISM is bad too...

if you're speaking that nationalism shyt, get a youtube or find you an online forum because mainstream negroes and their progressive liberal white massa's ain't trying to hear it!!!

 

[killacal]

nikkas got access to white bytches and switched up

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Mainstream supporters most likely viewed it as a fad which means they never really had any intention of sticking with it long-term.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Mainstream supporters most likely viewed it as a fad which means they never really had any intention of sticking with it long-term.

brand nubian and poor righteous teachers were never really "mainstream" though

the 5% philosophy ran hip hop for years bruh whether it sold records or not...this was deeper than the entertainment industry

i saw those HBCU sweaters on the cosby show and a different world all the time...the mentalities in our community was different

everybody wasn't on board but that's fine, the point is that it was there and had a voice...black folks laugh at nationalists now, call em haters, tell them to stop preaching, etc etc...how'd we get here!?!

 

[saturn7]

Mid 90's The Big Willy/ Hustler Era then the late 90's Shiny Suit Bling Bling/ Thug Era took over in hip hop and pushed the Afrocentric stuff to the back. I won't solely blame west coast style gangsta rap.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Mid 90's The Big Willy/ Hustler Era then the late 90's Shiny Suit Bling Bling/ Thug Era took over in hip hop and pushed the Afrocentric stuff to the back. I won't solely blame west coast style gangsta rap.

true.

kool moe dee said this shyt popped off in hip hop without major label backing, the PEOPLE wanted to hear it

that's why i said look at the clothes, the red black and green was everywhere, the discussions among ourselves were just different back then

even songs and videos like SELF DESTRUCTION were on tv everyday, but now we really ain't trying to "hear alldat shyt!" how did we get here?

 

[live it to the limit]

People got to comfortable because they got a little something. We fell asleep and yet to wake up

 

[3rdWorld]

I cant believe the change happened so fast..like, so fast you may have missed it..

The problem now is these dudes have been negative for so long none of them has the courage or know-how to even make a Black nationalist track..

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Crack Era

 

[Scott Larock]

white people's acceptance

 

[The Coochie Assassin]

white people's acceptance

niccas be on that pro black steez until they get that comfy job and a house in the burbs then its whatever, im straight

 

[saturn7]

Hip hop has always been materialistic but we started to OD in the mid 90's. Rappers went from urban/hip hop fashion to bragging about the high end designer brands (LV etc) and non urban brands along with the emphasis on gaudy jewelry. It seemed like the black nationalism era was treated like another fad by most (you still wearing Cross Colours/Karl Karni? It's 96 my G you need to get you some Versace and pop bottles in the club.).

 

[notwhoiusedtobe]

The moment an ideology can be commodified and sold as a piece of popular culture, it's over. Remember when everyone was wearing Malcolm X hats? It became a fashion statement, a fad. Fads end, along with any interest in what sparked them to begin with.

It's a consequence of living in a capitalist country. Our ancestor's blood and tears have been bottled and sold to white folk who erase the meaning of their struggle...

Tl;dr version: White people ruin pretty much everything.

Also, all most black people know is that Garveyism was a failed movement, they also know lots of people are all talk and no action. Combine that with the fact that there's actually a huge cultural and ideological divide between blacks in the diaspora and there you have it...

 

[Booker T Garvey]

The moment an ideology can be commodified and sold as a piece of popular culture, it's over. Remember when everyone was wearing Malcolm X hats? It became a fashion statement, a fad. Fads end, along with any interest in what sparked them to begin with.

It's a consequence of living in a capitalist country. Our ancestor's blood and tears have been bottled and sold to white folk who erase the meaning of their struggle...

Tl;dr version: White people ruin pretty much everything.

Also, all most black people know is that Garveyism was a failed movement, they also know lots of people are all talk and no action. Combine that with the fact that there's actually a huge cultural and ideological divide between blacks in the diaspora and there you have it...

that's still on us then...why was nationalism a "fad" but soul food has been around for centuries?

hip hop is still around it's just on some bullshyt right now, going to the club, pimping, etc etc..all of this negative dumb shyt is still considered to be embedded in our culture in some way

but nationalism was a "fad?", something that began almost 80 years before the 90's? it's pretty much all but dead in our community now.

I believe somebody wanted that shyt dead...and they got help from muthafukkas that look and talk like us too

 

[AV Dicey]

Olu Dara's kid killed that shyt with the mafioso stuff, only built for cuban link nikkaz was more parody. Personally I always thought west coast gangsta rap was a truer reflection of black nationalism, it never tried to hide the more nefarious elements in black nationalism, from Malcolm to the black panther party, gangsters were always a part of the movement. The Chronic's skits, lil ghetto boy, Ice Cube's early albums, fukk the police and finally nikkaz Wit Attitude, the most since Malcolm was staring out windows holding assault rifles.