Whats With These Newjacks Calling illmatic "Dated?"
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bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
This is true. My point is that these dudes had zero video presence but were hotter than nas on the streets.
it must be a terrible burden.
Billboard Top 200 songs of 1994 Billboard Top 100 Songs of 1994 - Year End Charts
I see:
Da Brat
2Pac
Snoop Dog
Warren G,
no Nas.
The Diary - Scarface : Awards : AllMusic
Scarface the Diary peaked at #2 on billboard
Illmatic - Nas : Awards : AllMusic
Illmatic never even saw top 10
Please stop it.
Billboard Top 200 songs of 1994 Billboard Top 100 Songs of 1994 - Year End Charts
I see:
Da Brat
2Pac
Snoop Dog
Warren G,
no Nas.
The Diary - Scarface : Awards : AllMusic
Scarface the Diary peaked at #2 on billboard
Illmatic - Nas : Awards : AllMusic
Illmatic never even saw top 10
Please stop it.
The streets where? And how do you know?
but Illmatic got a 5 star editor rating, while The Diary got 4
how did your boy Common do that year?
Kenny West
Veteran
nikka threadbigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
CINCINNATI IS THE HOME. Very non bias place.
As far as it being dated... nah. "Dated" to me is stuff that sounds like it could've only been good in that era/year. When I think of something being "dated", I think of like, Lords of the Underground or Fu-Schnickens albums, shyt that was mostly only dope the year it was out. Groups like them had a style so stuck in an era that they couldn't even adapt to the change in rap two years later. That to me is "dated", cause that type shyt even sounded old in the mid-90s. With Illmatic, yeah I guess it's "dated" in the sense that it would sound old as hell if it dropped today, but you'd have to put a LOT of music in that category if that's what dated really meant. But nah, it's just a great representative sound of an era, and one of the albums I'll always name if someone wanted to explore that time in hip-hop. No, it doesn't sound like it came out last week, but how many albums from 1994 do? People just talkin' shyt...
As far as this thing on whether Nas was "hot" or not... like someone said earlier in the thread, it all depends on where you grew up and what you were into. Everybody everywhere doesn't like the same shyt, so I don't know how anyone can come with these "it wasn't relevant cause my neighborhood wasn't playin' it" posts. Especially at that time, there was so much different sounds and tastes, it's hard to pinpoint something as not being relevant because of where it wasn't played. California and New York THEMSELVES had different styles/crowds- there were Cali people on that Hieroglyphics/Pharcyde type shyt that probably weren't bumpin' MC Eiht, and NYers that were probably more into Wu-Tang and Black Moon than The Fugees... then when you mention the South, you can't NOT mention Eightball & MJG, but I don't recall them being very big nationwide, so... gauging who was hot in what areas is kind of a task when you look back at that era, cause there was a whole lot of different shyt out there. You had your rappers who were popular all over, but there were a lot more who had their own core audiences.
As far as this thing on whether Nas was "hot" or not... like someone said earlier in the thread, it all depends on where you grew up and what you were into. Everybody everywhere doesn't like the same shyt, so I don't know how anyone can come with these "it wasn't relevant cause my neighborhood wasn't playin' it" posts. Especially at that time, there was so much different sounds and tastes, it's hard to pinpoint something as not being relevant because of where it wasn't played. California and New York THEMSELVES had different styles/crowds- there were Cali people on that Hieroglyphics/Pharcyde type shyt that probably weren't bumpin' MC Eiht, and NYers that were probably more into Wu-Tang and Black Moon than The Fugees... then when you mention the South, you can't NOT mention Eightball & MJG, but I don't recall them being very big nationwide, so... gauging who was hot in what areas is kind of a task when you look back at that era, cause there was a whole lot of different shyt out there. You had your rappers who were popular all over, but there were a lot more who had their own core audiences.
Most people will tell you illmatic was a non commercial album, just because it wasnt on the billboard charts doesnt make any less entertaining. The different between illmatic and all of those albums is that commercial single, and in scarfaces case, he had been a part of a popular group and was on his 3rd solo albums by that time. Truth is no east coast artist sold at that time but plenty of critically acclaimed albums. Biggie broke that mold, you cant judge an album by chart performance.
Here is the thing, in alabama very few people listened to east coast music at all, I did because I used to watch the hell out of rap city, 8ball and mjg, bone, death row music, brotha lynch, and suave house and rap-a-lot, and atl music got play but nikkas here HATED east coast music except for masta ace. That was the only east coast dude getting play down here, nikkas even disliked biggie, but came around by the time LAD dropped. I say all that to say that nikkas down here didnt like east coast music as a whole but that doesn't mean it wasnt good music. People hated just because, kinda like people do now. They all eventually came around.
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
Chicago was fukcin with MGJ & 8Ball, and basically Suave House in general.
NY niccaz think that cuz shyt wasnt poppin there then it wasnt poppin at all, but truth is shyt was poppin everywhere else.
NY niccaz think that cuz shyt wasnt poppin there then it wasnt poppin at all, but truth is shyt was poppin everywhere else.
how aint this nikka in full red right now
I thought about it breh lol... then I said dude just
got to be. Nobody can be that foolish right?
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
To add onto all this (good post btw) I was born and raised in California, in jr high I lived in Jersey for a year, and in the mid 90s there wasn't the same flow of communication back and forth like there is now. Things we were into in California was wayyy different than back East. Without the Internet and long distance phone calls still being expensive (lol @ that thought now) unless you actively traveled to those places often it was like night and day.
People forget that these days its very easy to figure out who is listening to what in each area. It's a click away. In the 90s, not so much.