Whats With These Newjacks Calling illmatic "Dated?"
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malbaker86
Gators
to be honest, ive never heard anybody name illmatic in there top 5 outside of the internet..
maybe its just an east coast thing
You haven't heard/name ANY rappers who' placed Illmatic in their top 5?
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Maaaaaaaaaaaaan i'll research but i'm confident dr. dre had sold more records off his production than every nikka u named combined by 1994.
So if gold- and platinum selling producers weren't sh*t in 1994, who was?
doggystyle 4mil
chronic 3 mil
nikkaz4life 1 mil
straight outta compton 2mil
eazy duz it 2 mil
no one can do it better 1 mil
"mother fukker can you buy that"
god shamgod
Veteran
It's crazy how easily the public can be brainwashed. I wish i could snap my fingers and everyone on any hiphop message board could wake up in 1994. People around my age (33) would remember how much of a nonMOTHERfukkinFACTOR illmatic was and be reminded what everyone was really bumpin back then and younger cats would realize how much illmatic's greatness is a mere myth. Motivated by east coast publications as they hated the west coast domination era.
Here are some the albums that were being bumped in 1994,all of these had male and female fans. They all had songs you'd here out apartments/home windows,cars rolling by. If you was packed on public transportation and you had to sit next to a nikka with a loud walkman,you heard these albums
They dont hear you bruh.Anybody who was old enough to remember 94 knows NOBODY gave a fukk about illmatic
It was like an undereground album.This history being re written by revisionists and calling it a hip hop bible and acting like it's the dopest album ever dropped is laughable
This I will agree with to a point, the fact that commercially it didn't hold up against a lot of those albums.
I don't think it takes away from its greatness though. I remember it having steady rotation back in the day. Hell my biggest qualm about it was the fact that it was so damn short.
god shamgod
Veteran
Don't get me wrong I copped illmatic the day it came out.
But to act like it's the standard for all hip hop albums is ridiculous.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
its just younger listeners' way of establishing a rap legacy to look back on years from now. alot of them know that they missed out on the good times and arent even genuine with most of their forced assertions.
its not even logical for someone to call illmatic dated when we're living in an era where the double-dutch bus guy would be nominated for lyricist of the year.
that dated argument doesnt even make sense in this day & age with the way that the bar has been lowered and alot of dudes have serious careers while rapping below early-70s levels.
in order for older music to be considered dated; the game must elevate, not deteriorate.
the good stuff - yes.
you lost me here. theres some dated beats on there but the best beats go harder in 2012 than anything on illmatic.
its not even logical for someone to call illmatic dated when we're living in an era where the double-dutch bus guy would be nominated for lyricist of the year.
that dated argument doesnt even make sense in this day & age with the way that the bar has been lowered and alot of dudes have serious careers while rapping below early-70s levels.
in order for older music to be considered dated; the game must elevate, not deteriorate.
the good stuff - yes.
you lost me here. theres some dated beats on there but the best beats go harder in 2012 than anything on illmatic.
@ everyone bumping "On the Outside Looking In." Maybe in some random neighborhoods in Houstonbigbadbossup said:
DJ Premier, Pete Rock & Q-Tip wasn't shyt in 1994?? With Daily Operation, Hard To Earn, Mecca and the Soul Brother, and the first 3 Tribe albums out by then??
It's crazy how easily the public can be brainwashed. I wish i could snap my fingers and everyone on any hiphop message board could wake up in 1994. People around my age (33) would remember how much of a nonMOTHERfukkinFACTOR illmatic was and be reminded what everyone was really bumpin back then and younger cats would realize how much illmatic's greatness is a mere myth. Motivated by east coast publications as they hated the west coast domination era.
Here are some the albums that were being bumped in 1994,all of these had male and female fans. They all had songs you'd here out apartments/home windows,cars rolling by. If you was packed on public transportation and you had to sit next to a nikka with a loud walkman,you heard these albums
I owned every one of those albums in 1994 too. and I didn't mess with Nas at all until IWW which is till my favorite album of his.
I can tell you the day, where and how much money I spent on "The diary" and all these years later it's still in my top 10. I can tell you the exact corner I was on, and who's bootleg cassete of "Creep on a come up" I listened too. I remember exactly where I "found' a copy of outside looking in, and how everyone in my school (male and female) knew the lyrics to "lay it down" and someone would do the beat on their desks with pencil and kick it off. The west coast was still running stuff, I still own my OG copy of Thuglife on CD and I remember BIG dropping because that changed everything. But other than single on the radio, ilmatic was no where on my radar in 94', I'm sorry, it just wasn't.
Never listened to illmatic all the way through until i was in colelge in 2000 and dl'd it off of napster. And I only did it then because I kept reading in magizines how folks were calling it the greatest reap album ever. I respected the lyricism, but even by 2000 standards it seemed old to me, I still won't even pretend to like it better than IWW no matter how many folks tell me otherwise.
Illmatic is a classic but it was a very regional album when it dropped. Outside the eastcoast alot of people never heard of it. It grew to an almost urban legend status after the demise of big and pac and we as rap fans were bombarded with alot of wack shyt. People started realizing how good and how much quality that album had. I think it also captured the mood of the new york street kid better than an album. It gets a lot of props from its nostalgia factor, a lot of cats see that as the golden age of new york city street life. I think overall it holds up well.
whoever said the whole thing sounds like a freestyle isnt listening right. im surprised anyones trying to criticize the lyrics, that wasnt even the point of the topic. but im not surprised that the people who are saying illmatic was irrelevant are the same folks who are hating on it musically. how is it that 30 something year olds from elmhurst told me people lined up for the album, and other people are claiming outkast was hotter in 94.......in NY. really? outkast only really got shine in the east when aquemini dropped and raekwon was on it, n even then nobody really cared like that like that until ms jackson. and again.....the coli worried about whos hot and whos not, acting like nobody was listening to the album in 94. come on son
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
theres nothing nostalgic about the props that illmatic gets. it was a groundbreaking instant classic WHEN IT DROPPED.
outside of the east coast, it was more of an adult thing. if you were still a kid or barely a teenager back then, you might not understand. it catered to the east coast, and those who were into that type of rap at the time from all over the country. also, there was no commercial value to this album whatsoever.
and on the flipside, i dont recall ever seeing the cover to that mc eiht album. and this was when mennace II society(prolly the most popular flick of my lifetime) was at its apex.
i probably didnt even know who 8ball & mjg were in 1994.
outside of the east coast, it was more of an adult thing. if you were still a kid or barely a teenager back then, you might not understand. it catered to the east coast, and those who were into that type of rap at the time from all over the country. also, there was no commercial value to this album whatsoever.
and on the flipside, i dont recall ever seeing the cover to that mc eiht album. and this was when mennace II society(prolly the most popular flick of my lifetime) was at its apex.
i probably didnt even know who 8ball & mjg were in 1994.
god shamgod
Veteran
I owned every one of those albums in 1994 too. and I didn't mess with Nas at all until IWW which is till my favorite album of his.
I can tell you the day, where and how much money I spent on "The diary" and all these years later it's still in my top 10. I can tell you the exact corner I was on, and who's bootleg cassete of "Creep on a come up" I listened too. I remember exactly where I "found' a copy of outside looking in, and how everyone in my school (male and female) knew the lyrics to "lay it down" and someone would do the beat on their desks with pencil and kick it off. The west coast was still running stuff, I still own my OG copy of Thuglife on CD and I remember BIG dropping because that changed everything. But other than single on the radio, ilmatic was no where on my radar in 94', I'm sorry, it just wasn't.
You can tell by the bolded this dude came up in the 90's cuz these are facts
I've never seen a man cry,thuggish ruggish bone,funkdafied,Mass Appeal,Regulator and juicy ALL got more tick than any single off illmatic
Lay it down was the streets anthem, Everybody knew the lyrics to that song and it was debates about who went in more crime boss,mjg or eightball
Shouts to the cats who actually grew up in that era and Knew illmatic didn't run shyt in 94.These revisionist kids have no clue