Whats With These Newjacks Calling illmatic "Dated?"

[shoo_laced]

I think that it's a pretty weak criticism all things considered, but it is areality with a lot of albums. Paid In Full for example will forever be a classic album, but the beats on there sound very basic and bland compared to what we are used to now. So based on that I guess you could argue that it 'aged horribly' and thus a younger cat wouldn't be able to put it on and vibe with it and wouldn't be able to see what is classic about it. Even albums that came out in the 2000s could suffer from being too heavily influenced by the sound that was popular at the time, but sounds wack as hell years later.

I agree fam, as one poster said above tho a true classic transcends time pretty much and can get play in any era of time and still sound fresh from the production to the lyrics the only thing might be the mastering on the project, that's why there's the remastered versions tho

 

[SituationStarter]

to be honest, ive never heard anybody name illmatic in there top 5 outside of the internet..

maybe its just an east coast thing

 

[Darth Nubian]

i wanna know whats with these old heads wanting us to like everything they grew up on

do you like hip hop post-2010?

Not really. But I still give it a chance. That's why I come to this forum. Your ear is closer to the pulse than mine and I'm depending on you to direct me to the new sound. The real issue is that if you had grown up listening to what we did in the 80's/90, you wouldn't be impressed with a lot of the hip hop today.

 

[mikishere]

classic album but at the same time

Spoiler

most overrated album of all time

 

[Heretic]

Smh some of these dudes kill me. I love music from all eras. Illmatic captured that period wonderfully, same as say an isaac hayes and curtis mayfield captured the 70s perfectly. Just learn to appreciate the music. That's like me sayin the godfather or scarface was trash because they had old cars in it and the film transfer was grainy, just enjoy the music for what it is. Rap fans are the most fickle of all music fans alive

 

[Heretic]

classic album but at the same time

Spoiler

most overrated album of all time

Some people think its overrated and I respect that. Some people just shyt on it with no real merit tho

 

[DaveyDave]

Smh some of these dudes kill me. I love music from all eras. Illmatic captured that period wonderfully, same as say an isaac hayes and curtis mayfield captured the 70s perfectly. Just learn to appreciate the music. That's like me sayin the godfather or scarface was trash because they had old cars in it and the film transfer was grainy, just enjoy the music for what it is. Rap fans are the most fickle of all music fans alive

you can buy cleaned up blu rays of Scarface & The Godfather tho plus when they remake Scarface (you know it's gonna happen ) youngsters will probably like it better

 

[Black Ball]

Illmatic is a Classic hands down. I wouldn't criticize it for being dated, only that it was overrated and given this untouchable status. I'd say there are many more appealing classics to actually listen to than Illmatic. Illmatic is like a beautiful classic car that you keep shiny, but never actually bother to take for a drive.

 

[John Hull]

very true. albums created before 2000 in general have that problem. although the west coast was far ahead of the pack in terms of mastering in the 90s.

Cosign the West being ahead of the game as far as mastering, but let's not forget most of the classic Hip Hop made at that time was intentionally made to sound dusty and grimy. That was the style.

Also, a lot of music today is just overly compressed and LOUD. Producers nowadays just squeezing the life out of the mids and overdosing on subs and highs to create this false illusion of crystallized beats.

Futuristic garbage, lol.

Cold part about it, Planet Rock still bangs harder at the club and sounds more
futuristic than most of the doo doo Fruity Loops that nikkas swear is so hot.

 

[mobbinfms]

"Outdated" is an unfair criticism after 3-5 years don't you think? I think it's fair to say something from 2009 sounds outdated now, but its silly to say the Superfly soundtrack sounds outdated. Of course it does! It's damn near 40 years old! Doesn't mean it's not also classic and timeless. If that makes sense...

 

[Heretic]

you can buy cleaned up blu rays of Scarface & The Godfather tho plus when they remake Scarface (you know it's gonna happen ) youngsters will probably like it better

Lol yeah they been talkin abt remaking scarface. Even still with godfather and scarface on bluray it doesn't look like the glossy digital stuff out now, and actually ive seen people on here shyt on the godfather thats what made me bring that up. But yeah I think u get my point tho breh, age of a certain medium doesnt detract from it's greatness. I axtually think illmatics unmastered sound adds to the personality of it. Keep in mind I was only 8 when that album dropped but i still appreciate it as an album without prejudice.

 

[Heretic]

Cosign the West being ahead of the game as far as mastering, but let's not forget most of the classic Hip Hop made at that time was intentionally made to sound dusty and grimy. That was the style.

Also, a lot of music today is just overly compressed and LOUD. Producers nowadays just squeezing the life out of the mids and overdosing on subs and highs to create this false illusion of crystallized beats.

Futuristic garbage, lol.

Cold part about it, Planet Rock still bangs harder at the club and sounds more
futuristic than most of the doo doo Fruity Loops that nikkas swear is so hot.

Yep u aint never lied. The whole duck down catalog sounds like they dipped the masters in mud. The old 36 mafia stuff as well and that old wutang stuff, that shyt sounded dirty as hell but thats kinda what I liked about it. Sound treatment is used the same way as film treatment. A lot of it is artist preference.

 

[DaveyDave]

Lol yeah they been talkin abt remaking scarface. Even still with godfather and scarface on bluray it doesn't look like the glossy digital stuff out now, and actually ive seen people on here shyt on the godfather thats what made me bring that up. But yeah I think u get my point tho breh, age of a certain medium doesnt detract from it's greatness. I axtually think illmatics unmastered sound adds to the personality of it. Keep in mind I was only 8 when that album dropped but i still appreciate it as an album without prejudice.

i agree with you breh, it just amazes me sometimes ho people hate on something like Illmatic. in 10 years kids will be saying 2001 was completely wack & sounds horrible

 

[hex]

to be honest, ive never heard anybody name illmatic in there top 5 outside of the internet..

maybe its just an east coast thing

You aren't making any sense. 78% of the U.S. has internet access, if you hear it on the internet it's not just on one coast....

Fred.

 

[SituationStarter]

You aren't making any sense. 78% of the U.S. has internet access, if you hear it on the internet it's not just on one coast....

Fred.

all 78 percent are on rap forums