What Was The Weakest/Most Fragile "Dynasty" In Sports History?

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lol that was pretty gay @Shadow King I wasn’t even tryna be smart with that question but ok then :ehh:
You're using superlatives that nobody adheres to and putting words in people's mouths to deflect from the reality and feed into your team bias. The "gay" shìt is coming from you.

Nobody is calling 3 banners in 4 or 5 years "an imperfect dynasty", but you. Period.
 

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You're using superlatives that nobody adheres to and putting words in people's mouths to deflect from the reality and feed into your team bias. The "gay" shìt is coming from you.

Nobody is calling 3 banners in 4 or 5 years "an imperfect dynasty", but you. Period.

I asked you a simple question and now it’s putting words in your mouth? You said my opinion was pointless and arbitrary so that’s why I’m asking you the question.

In my opinion winning three in a row is a much more difficult run of dominance. I base that opinion on the rarity of the feat and the fact that a dynasty requires a minimum of three titles in a short time span.

That’s just my personal opinion and it doesn’t even have to do with the Lakers since you brought up my bias. I brought up Showtime as an example of a team that I would consider an imperfect dynasty run. If you don’t get your three in consecutive wins then it doesn’t have that rare quality that three straight does. It’s still a dynasty but not the same as three straight because we’ve seen more of those. If you don’t agree then whatever, it’s not that deep.
 

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I asked you a simple question and now it’s putting words in your mouth? You said my opinion was pointless and arbitrary so that’s why I’m asking you the question.

In my opinion winning three in a row is a much more difficult run of dominance. I base that opinion on the rarity of the feat and the fact that a dynasty requires a minimum of three titles in a short time span.

That’s just my personal opinion and it doesn’t even have to do with the Lakers since you brought up my bias. I brought up Showtime as an example of a team that I would consider an imperfect dynasty run. If you don’t get your three in consecutive wins then it doesn’t have that rare quality that three straight does. It’s still a dynasty but not the same as three straight because we’ve seen more of those. If you don’t agree then whatever, it’s not that deep.
When my post says this
There is no perfect or imperfect dynasty. Again, I you're making a rule up for your own bias.
And you respond with this
So winning three out of four is the same as winning three straight? Gotcha let’s just agree to disagree. :ehh:
Yes, you are putting words in my mouth.

The rarity of a 3peat does not make in 3 rings in 4 or 5 years "imperfect". It has everything to do with the Lakers, you did not grow up on Showtime.
 

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First of all, true dynasties defend their title three times in a row or better so outside of the Kobe/Shaq Lakers all of the other teams named are at best imperfect dynasties and at worst not dynasties at all.

Last three peats (or most consecutive championships won ) by teams in North American sports:

1929–1931 Green Bay Packers (no post-season, title game began in 1933)
1947-1949 Toronto Maple Leafs (nhl)- 3peat
1949-1953 New York Yankees (mlb) 4-peat
1956-1960 montreal canadiens (nhl) -5 peat
1959-1966 Boston Celtics -8 peat
1962-1964 Toronto Maple Leafs (nhl)- 3 peat
1972–1974 Oakland Athletics
1976-1979 montreal canadiens (nhl) -4 peat
1980-1983 New York islanders (nhl) -4 peat
1991-1993 Chicago bulls
1996-1998 Chicago bulls
1998-2000 New York yankees
2000-2002 Los Angeles lakers
 

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When my post says this

And you respond with this

Yes, you are putting words in my mouth.

The rarity of a 3peat does not make in 3 rings in 4 or 5 years "imperfect". It has everything to do with the Lakers, you did not grow up on Showtime.

We disagree on the perfect vs imperfect thing. If a team doesn’t keep a perfect streak during their run then to me it’s imperfect. The rarer feat is more impressive and that fact that the streak is unbroken gives it a level of perfection that the other doesn’t have.

This is why I asked the question. I want to understand why you think that doesn’t matter. If only a tiny handful of teams have done this in NBA history and that feat has the mark of perfection how does that not make it a perfect dynasty. Part of Jordan’s legend is that he pulled that shyt off twice which is insane.
 

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We disagree on the perfect vs imperfect thing. If a team doesn’t keep a perfect streak during their run then to me it’s imperfect. The rarer feat is more impressive and that fact that the streak is unbroken gives it a level of perfection that the other doesn’t have.

This is why I asked the question. I want to understand why you think that doesn’t matter. If only a tiny handful of teams have done this in NBA history and that feat has the mark of perfection how does that not make it a perfect dynasty. Part of Jordan’s legend is that he pulled that shyt off twice which is insane.
You're arguing with yourself. Nobody said it doesn't matter, so again:
You're using superlatives that nobody adheres to and putting words in people's mouths to deflect from the reality and feed into your team bias. The "gay" shìt is coming from you.

Nobody is calling 3 banners in 4 or 5 years "an imperfect dynasty", but you. Period.
 

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The National Football League​

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In the National Football League (NFL), a Super Bowl championship three-peat has not been accomplished. Two-time defending Super Bowl champions who failed to three-peat include the Green Bay Packers (1968), Miami Dolphins (1974), Pittsburgh Steelers(twice: 1976, 1980), San Francisco 49ers(1990), Dallas Cowboys (1994), Denver Broncos (1999), and New England Patriots(2005). All of these teams failed to return to the title game in the third season (indicated in parentheses).

The Kansas City Chiefs are currently two-time defending Super Bowl champions following their wins in Super Bowl LVII in 2023 and Super Bowl LVIII in 2024.

The Buffalo Bills went to 4 consecutive Super Bowls as the AFC champions from 1990 to 1993, which is a feat unmatched in NFL history; however, they lost in every appearance.

The New England Patriots are the most recent team to play in three consecutive Super Bowls, winning Super Bowl LI in 2016 and Super Bowl LIII in 2018, but losing Super Bowl LII in 2017.

In the early years of the NFL, decades before the introduction of either the term three-peat or the Super Bowl, the Packers won three consecutive NFL titles from 192931. This was achieved without playing any postseason playoff games, as the league title was determined at that time from the season standings. In addition, the Packers won the NFL championship in 1965, at a time when the rival NFL and AFL played separate exclusive championships. They then followed that 1965 championship with their first two Super Bowl victories in 1966 and 1967 (their Super Bowl berths were earned by winning both the 1966 NFL Championship Game and 1967 NFL Championship Game), thereby winning championships three years in a row.
 

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You're arguing with yourself. Nobody said it doesn't matter, so again:

If the question is posed to anyone they’d more than likely say that the perfect streak is a more impressive feat and that the other dynasty came with an imperfect win/loss record. That’s not even up for debate.

Whether or not anyone uses that metric en mass is irrelevant. If that metric is brought into the argument then what I’m saying would apply. That doesn’t mean a dynasty with a loss in their run isn’t a dynasty but they didn’t have a perfect record. To me and probably to others of similar opinion, that’s a point of differentiation between the two.

To me that shyt matters enough to use superlatives that no one adheres to. Be dismissive about it if you want it’s your right to disagree but ima stand on it anyway.
 

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Last three peats (or most consecutive championships won ) by teams in North American sports:

1929–1931 Green Bay Packers (no post-season, title game began in 1933)
1947-1949 Toronto Maple Leafs (nhl)- 3peat
1949-1953 New York Yankees (mlb) 4-peat
1956-1960 montreal canadiens (nhl) -5 peat
1959-1966 Boston Celtics -8 peat
1962-1964 Toronto Maple Leafs (nhl)- 3 peat
1972–1974 Oakland Athletics
1976-1979 montreal canadiens (nhl) -4 peat
1980-1983 New York islanders (nhl) -4 peat
1991-1993 Chicago bulls
1996-1998 Chicago bulls
1998-2000 New York yankees
2000-2002 Los Angeles lakers

Even with all sports this is a short list. When you shrink it to just the NBA it’s a tiny list.

The National Football League​

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In the National Football League (NFL), a Super Bowl championship three-peat has not been accomplished. Two-time defending Super Bowl champions who failed to three-peat include the Green Bay Packers (1968), Miami Dolphins (1974), Pittsburgh Steelers(twice: 1976, 1980), San Francisco 49ers(1990), Dallas Cowboys (1994), Denver Broncos (1999), and New England Patriots(2005). All of these teams failed to return to the title game in the third season (indicated in parentheses).

The Kansas City Chiefs are currently two-time defending Super Bowl champions following their wins in Super Bowl LVII in 2023 and Super Bowl LVIII in 2024.

The Buffalo Bills went to 4 consecutive Super Bowls as the AFC champions from 1990 to 1993, which is a feat unmatched in NFL history; however, they lost in every appearance.

The New England Patriots are the most recent team to play in three consecutive Super Bowls, winning Super Bowl LI in 2016 and Super Bowl LIII in 2018, but losing Super Bowl LII in 2017.

In the early years of the NFL, decades before the introduction of either the term three-peat or the Super Bowl, the Packers won three consecutive NFL titles from 192931. This was achieved without playing any postseason playoff games, as the league title was determined at that time from the season standings. In addition, the Packers won the NFL championship in 1965, at a time when the rival NFL and AFL played separate exclusive championships. They then followed that 1965 championship with their first two Super Bowl victories in 1966 and 1967 (their Super Bowl berths were earned by winning both the 1966 NFL Championship Game and 1967 NFL Championship Game), thereby winning championships three years in a row.

Hasn’t even been done in the Super Bowl era because it’s a more difficult feat.
 

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If the question is posed to anyone they’d more than likely say that the perfect streak is a more impressive feat and that the other dynasty came with an imperfect win/loss record. That’s not even up for debate.

Whether or not anyone uses that metric en mass is irrelevant. If that metric is brought into the argument then what I’m saying would apply. That doesn’t mean a dynasty with a loss in their run isn’t a dynasty but they didn’t have a perfect record. To me and probably to others of similar opinion, that’s a point of differentiation between the two.

To me that shyt matters enough to use superlatives that no one adheres to. Be dismissive about it if you want it’s your right to disagree but ima stand on it anyway.
The metric being used en masse is extremely relevant. Using superlatives that only one subscribes to doesn't change reality.

There is no "imperfect dynasty"...we'll be here till 2569 seeing who's "standing on it" last.
 

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Yup.

These bozos should’ve bulldozed thru the league for at least 6 years and had their pick of free agents on strength of LeBron and DWade alone + the perception of Miami being a fun destination to live/play
 

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Even with all sports this is a short list. When you shrink it to just the NBA it’s a tiny list.



Hasn’t even been done in the Super Bowl era because it’s a more difficult feat.
Yep the three peat club is a select and elite one. No professional sports team regardless of sport will ever pull a 8- peat like the Celtics did in the 1960s.

By the way , I forgot to mention the 1952-1954 Minneapolis lakers on this list.
 

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The metric being used en masse is extremely relevant. Using superlatives that only one subscribes to doesn't change reality.

There is no "imperfect dynasty"...we'll be here till 2569 seeing who's "standing on it" last.

If a team has an imperfect record in their dynasty run then that would be an imperfect run compared to a dynasty that goes undefeated. The team that goes undefeated has a perfect dynasty by virtue of record. It is what it is.
 
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