lol, nothing random about it, high powered guns didn't become prevalent till the 80's because that's when dealers/gangs started making crazy money from the crack epidemic and could afford the(more) high powered weapons. The gun culture that exists today wasn't a thing in the 60's/70's. I've seen multiple documentaries on the subject and cops would say all they needed was a basic sidearm. They didn't have to arm up til the 80's.
What was happening in the 60s and 70s that was causing such a high murder rate?
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This is wrong, though.
The Thompson submachine gun was used in the THIRTIES, when the drive-by was invented.
You're perpetuating a racist cac narrative about the crack era.
The fully automatics were banned in 1986, and the crack "epidemic" wasn't even maxed out at that point.
Wrongwrongwrong.
PS: Cops used the thompson AUTOMATIC up until 1970 when it was deemed obsolete.
What do you think they traded it for?
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Tbh, I'm still trying to figure it out. If you are looking for a simple answer you aren't going to find one. In fact, you really are going to end up with more questions. The first thing to realize is that Civil Rights movement removed barriers for upper class and middle class African-Americans to enter what were previously White only spaces.
This was Time magazine's cover in 1974. But a the same time upper class and middle class Blacks were riding the coattails of the Civil Rights movement to move into the middle class, there was an underclass of African-Americans that were falling further and further behind.
Coinciding with the falling behind of this "underclass, you had other phenomenons like the rise of the inner city housing projects...(A Brief History of Affordable Housing in New York City)
These public housing projects were originally created as a remedy to poverty, it actually made things much much worse by concentrating poverty. At the same time you had a phenomenon of white flight out of cities that eroded the tax base and caused public services to worsen in cities. So it was in this context that drugs burst on to the scene. An underclass of Black Americans who were, as Dr. King put it were living on a, "lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity" finally had the opportunity to make money. But because of the nature of the drug trade, you had to basically be your own police force. so the number of murders went up. Now this is a very basic analysis so if you're interested in the topic I highly recommend you do you own research. But the rise of violence in the inner city robbed the lives of many black men.
I think at the end of the day, it ultimately comes down to this. What happens to an individual who isn't loved. By having people in our lives who love us and care for us we learn that our lives have value. When the violence and the murders shot up there were a lot of Black men who felt that the lives were insignificant and did not matter. And when you start devaluing your own life, you sooner or later end up devaluing the lives of others.
This was Time magazine's cover in 1974. But a the same time upper class and middle class Blacks were riding the coattails of the Civil Rights movement to move into the middle class, there was an underclass of African-Americans that were falling further and further behind.
Coinciding with the falling behind of this "underclass, you had other phenomenons like the rise of the inner city housing projects...(A Brief History of Affordable Housing in New York City)
These public housing projects were originally created as a remedy to poverty, it actually made things much much worse by concentrating poverty. At the same time you had a phenomenon of white flight out of cities that eroded the tax base and caused public services to worsen in cities. So it was in this context that drugs burst on to the scene. An underclass of Black Americans who were, as Dr. King put it were living on a, "lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity" finally had the opportunity to make money. But because of the nature of the drug trade, you had to basically be your own police force. so the number of murders went up. Now this is a very basic analysis so if you're interested in the topic I highly recommend you do you own research. But the rise of violence in the inner city robbed the lives of many black men.
I think at the end of the day, it ultimately comes down to this. What happens to an individual who isn't loved. By having people in our lives who love us and care for us we learn that our lives have value. When the violence and the murders shot up there were a lot of Black men who felt that the lives were insignificant and did not matter. And when you start devaluing your own life, you sooner or later end up devaluing the lives of others.
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Tbh, I'm still trying to figure it out. If you are looking for a simple answer you aren't going to find one. In fact, you really are going to end up with more questions. The first thing to realize is that Civil Rights movement removed barriers for upper class and middle class African-Americans to enter what were previously White only spaces.
This was Time magazine's cover in 1974. But a the same time upper class and middle class Blacks were riding the coattails of the Civil Rights movement to move into the middle class, there was an underclass of African-Americans that were falling further and further behind.
Coinciding with the falling behind of this "underclass, you had other phenomenons like the rise of the inner city housing projects...(A Brief History of Affordable Housing in New York City)
These public housing projects were originally created as a remedy to poverty, it actually made things much much worse by concentrating poverty. At the same time you had a phenomenon of white flight out of cities that eroded the tax base and caused public services to worsen in cities. So it was in this context that drugs burst on to the scene. An underclass of Black Americans who were, as Dr. King put it were living on a, "lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity" finally had the opportunity to make money. But because of the nature of the drug trade, you had to basically be your own police force. so the number of murders went up. Now this is a very basic analysis so if you're interested in the topic I highly recommend you do you own research. But the rise of violence in the inner city robbed the lives of many black men.
I think at the end of the day, it ultimately comes down to this. What happens to an individual who isn't loved. By having people in our lives who love us and care for us we learn that our lives have value. When the violence and the murders shot up there were a lot of Black men who felt that the lives were insignificant and did not matter. And when you start devaluing your own life, you sooner or later end up devaluing the lives of others.
Quick correction those buildings in your post aren’t housing projects. That’s Co-op city in the Northeast section of the Bronx.
Middle clsss/working class black area over there!
I didn't say they didn't exist, they just weren't in widespread use like they are now man, geez! I see you're hankerin for a fight bro, i'm just saying that gun use wasn't as prevalent in the 60's/70's as it is today. The gun culture was different, the NRA wasn't fear mongering like they do now. Therefore the widespread use of autos/semi-autos wasn't as big of an issue. That's all.
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No, it's NOT all, because you don't know what you're talking about. You still think semi-automatic means "almost automatic" like they want you to. You're a man, educate yourself on weaponry before it's too late. The position you're taking is based upon emotion, a lack of knowledge, and very good marketing.
Semi Automatic means single shot: Most modern handguns are semi automatic.
Automatic means: Multiple rounds are released with one trigger pull. These are illegal and nobody uses them. Nobody has used them for "mass shooting"...They're VERY hard to acquire (after 1986). The time period you're speaking on? They were NOT hard to acquire at all. You're talking from "narrative" and not reality. "well the fearmongering nra and trumpsters weren't around to give all the hillbillies guns, everybody had revolvers bro, people were beating each other to death"
Breh, no.
Yes they were (THEN), and no, they're "not in widespread use" now.
You must be into that goofy "assault rifle" rhetoric, when most murders (now and then) were committed with regular old handguns at close proximity by familiar parties warring over turf..only back then, the thompson submachine gun was in use and fully automatic...just like old colt rifles, etc.
Fullies haven't been used since the mid 80s, the NRA actually sponsored one of the first anti-black gun laws...IN 1967.
The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods while they were conducting what would later be termed copwatching.[1] They garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched bearing arms upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.[2][3][4]
AB-1591 was authored by Don Mulford (R) from Oakland, John T. Knox (D) from Richmond, Walter J. Karabian (D) from Monterey Park, Alan Sieroty (D) from Los Angeles, and William M. Ketchum (R) from Bakersfield,[5] it passed both Assembly (controlled by Democrats 42:38) and Senate (split 20:20) and was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan on July 28. The law banned the carrying of loaded weapons in public. [6]
The NRA also supported California’s Mulford Act of 1967, which had banned carrying loaded weapons in public in response to the Black Panther Party’s impromptu march on the State Capitol to protest gun control legislation on May 2, 1967.
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One thing I think that often gets overlooked is how much the country was siloed. The country seemed to accept or be in denial what the state of other areas looked like or were in. So people just didn't care what happen unless it was literally in front of them. I see the photos and videos of NYC in those decades, I cannot imagine the city ever getting to that point again. The comparisons to war torn Europe are accurate. A lot of the South was living damn near under 3rd World conditions up until the 70s.
Even during the recession with similar dynamics- war, drugs, changes in migration patterns etc. The country overall did not experience the level of crime during those decades. And that was with less people.
Even during the recession with similar dynamics- war, drugs, changes in migration patterns etc. The country overall did not experience the level of crime during those decades. And that was with less people.
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Bruh nikkas was doin all this over WEED? Not crack, not heroin, not coke, but WEED? Regular ass WEED?
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It was PCP and heroin involved, too.
Nice try on moving the goal posts. This isn't a discussion on gun types or laws. Just prevalence. People in the 60's/70's had access to their dad's 38 special. Today they have their own pistols and can get an assault rifle if they have the money. So once again, NO, guns were not as readily available back then.
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It was probably other drugs involved. D.C is a city that has "drug crews" and "neighborhood crews" opposed to gangs like bloods, or crips. Drug-dealing regardless of whether it's crack, weed or pills is serious in D.C. People will kill you over a dime bag.
There used to be a hood called the "203", that used to be the premiere weed spot in D.C. They stole some police-scanners, used it to track witnesses and informants and were linked to 13 murders. They have an FBI Files episode.
10 MEMBERS OF SW GANG INDICTED ON DRUG COUNTS
"At a news conference yesterday, standing beside a chart that listed the names of 31 victims of shootings -- including 13 homicides -- attributed to the K Street Crew, Lewis said: "This is a clear example of why marijuana use and dealing cannot -- I repeat, cannot -- simply be viewed as a harmless activity or a victimless crime."
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besides a ton of different and complex sociaital factors, a pretty simple thing that can be easily forgotten because of how we live today is...people were always outside, or at least outside of the house, in those days. the entire lifestyle and peoples temperaments in general were just different