What the United States did to the Japanese was worse just as bad as hitler did to Jews
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theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Show 42 - (BLITZ) Logical Insanity
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Sat, 31 Mar 2012 - 02:28:49 minutes - 107.58mb
After many listener requests, Dan examines the issue of the morality of dropping the Atomic Bombs in the Second World War. As usual, he does so in his own unique, unexpected way.
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i thought this is good podcast on the topic, it doesnt make any conclusions, just talks abut the whole thing
Description And Show Notes
Sat, 31 Mar 2012 - 02:28:49 minutes - 107.58mb
After many listener requests, Dan examines the issue of the morality of dropping the Atomic Bombs in the Second World War. As usual, he does so in his own unique, unexpected way.
Download .mp3
i thought this is good podcast on the topic, it doesnt make any conclusions, just talks abut the whole thing
Harder than Dresden ?
What I was thaught was that surrendering was impossible due to the japanese pride and the Emperor not being able to lose face because he was a godlike figure. So that's why the first bombing was decided : to force the Emperor to surrender because the ennemy was too powerful and for the japanese not to think they were weak but just overpowered...
The second bombing is definitely criminal though and was just flexing towards USSR.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
I too believe Truman was heartless in dealing with the Japanese and that his permissive attitude towards dropping the bombs was couched in racism and supremacy. I highly doubt he would have so quickly sanctioned dropping atomic weapons on Germany. But you can't expect much from American 1940s leaders, many of these guys would have or did oppose minority rights. They were about their country, not every one of their countrymen.
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
I think this video is one of few that sheds light on this topic. It's an hour but worth it. I couldn't remember the name of it but here it is.
you obviously have no idea how ruthless the Japanese were in the pacific.
Smh at anyone trying to say Japan deserved it or they engaged us so they got what they deserved, that's no excuse to purposely bomb and kill massive populations of innocent people who have 0 millitary importance or connections. Some of you are truley disgusting individuals.
Constantine
Et in Arcadia ego...
You don't know what you're talking about.
1. Truman was racist. He admitted to using derogatory terms for blacks, as well as Italians in his youth. But the operative word is was. Did he remain racist when he entered the White House? I don't know, but what he did do was desegrate the military, and initiate a number of initiatives to end discrimination in the country, and within the federal workforce, which allowed a lot of blacks to enter the federal workforce, and provide a better quality of life for their children. Yes he did it during an election year, and a cynic would suggest he was pandering to black voters for votes; but he ended up splitting the Democrat coalition, which lead to the rise of the Dixie cats. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_events_truman.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/attorney-author-rawn-james-jr/
2. Not all Japanese Americans were interned. You also fail to mention that Italian, and German non citizens/citizens were interned as well. http://www.archives.gov/research/immigration/enemy-aliens-overview.html You fail to mention that that not all of the internees, around a third weren't American citizens, and some of them refused to swear oaths of loyalty to the U.S. http://www.foitimes.com/internment/fallon2.htm
http://www.streetlaw.org/en/Page/323/Key_Excerpts_from_the_Majority_Opinion
3. We used napalm on German targets as well. http://books.google.com/books?id=apzpAWUyXMoC&pg=PT445&lpg=PT445&dq=napalm dropped on germany ww2&source=bl&ots=rw8hlH282U&sig=xOWjG_-yfyGi6mxEKjsm8IccNgE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HPhbUvuFAe_iyAHjtIAw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAjge#v=onepage&q=napalm dropped on germany ww2&f=false
4. The Japanese military was not going to surrender, and only did so after the second atomic bomb was dropped. http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/twocities/nagasaki/page6.shtmlThe Potsdam Declaration called for the Japanese military to surrender, which they refused. http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Potsdam_Declaration.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/pacific-japans-plan/
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/MacArthur Reports/MacArthur V1/ch13.htm
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/giangrec.htm
The Soviets didn't invade Japan, they only invaded terriorties on the Asian mainland that were occupied by the Japanese like Manchuria. The Japanese didn't went to fight a war on two fronts, and most of their forces were in the south to prepare for an anticipated American invasion. Would the Russians have been capable of invading Japan is debatable. If the U.S. invaded, it was projected that we would receive casualties of 500,000 to millions of casualties based on the casualties we sustained in Okinawa, and Iwo Jimo. The governement manufactured 500,000 Purple Hearts in anticipation of the invasion. http://hnn.us/article/1801
5. Yes America has done some despeciable things in the past, but nothing that compared to what the Japanes were doing in Asia. The Japanese were like Asian NAZIs. There belief in their own racial superiority was just as dranconian as the NAZI party. They believed the U.S. wouldn't retaliate for an attack on Pearl Harbor because the U.S. had become mongrolized by diluting its racial stock from letting in non Caucasian peoples. http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB905.pdf
The Japanese also performed horrendous experiements on peoples of biological, and chemical nature.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...eal-truth-of-Japans-Unit-731-experiments.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/21/japan-excavates-site-human-experiments
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/223038.stm
http://academic.mu.edu/meissnerd/nanking-rape.htm
http://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/
6. You also fail to ask the question, what if we didn't drop the bomb? The Japanese were dug in, weren't willing to surrender. Based on the number of Japanes that committed suicide in Okinawa http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/20/world/asia/20iht-oki.html?_r=0 its more than likely millions of Japanese would've committed suicide in a invasion. And where would the GIs come from to launch an invasion? Certaintly not France, or Britian, which meant that hundreds of thousands of American GIs who spent years fighting in the European theater would have to take part in the Pacific campaign. Who's to say they would've gone willingly? The Russians were well aware of our nuclear program, and would soon have a bomb of their own in 1955. Who's to say the Soviets wouldn't have seen our reticence to kill civilians as a sign of weakness, and calculate it into future dealings with the U.S. in Korea, or the Cuban Missile Crisis? The Cold War was cold because there were no overt hostilities between the west and east, due Mutually Assured Destruction, and to the fact that everyone saw the destruction that would ensure because of the atomic bombs dropped in Japan. Khuschev already thought Kennedy was a weakling based on their first meeting; perhaps he would've tested Kennedy's resolve in violating the blockade, or launched nukes against Turkey, or West Berlin as a first strike measure. Or maybe some other Soviet Premier would've used atom bombs against the west, or vice versa. The dropping of the atom bombs was like a case of chicken pox. Its best to get it out of the way when your younger than to go through it as an adult. I know that sounds crass, but its the truth.
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I never condoned the excessive targeting of civilians in the bombing strategies of the US...it was a relative comparison to what the Nazi's were doing.
Fillerguy
Veteran
Likewise, those who highlight Japanese death tolls in an attempt to mask Japanese war crimes are no better. If two a$$holes are fighting and one gets hurt, they're still a$$holes.