What is with the STEM obsession?

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Money isn't going to improve the situation of blacks in the US if we continue to funnel it into other communities. Until we build our own economic structure people will still be dependent on a group of people who hate them.

As a race we are earn the least of any group, we talk about socioeconomic structure when we as a collective have neither the financial means nor the discipline to save for the future. STEM is the where there is the most opportunity and stability, but the problem is that we do not have the access to proper math and science courses especially at the high school level which leaves a lot of students paying to take remedial courses just to catch up. Unfortunately until we can close the educational gap (something of an uphill battle partially because of poverty and partially because of culture) we are always playing from behind in the STEM game.
 
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Yes, people with STEM degrees earn more as a whole than those with other degrees, but not everyone can be a STEM major, and there are important jobs that need to be filled that are not in the field of STEM. Most of you who are obsessed with it aren't even STEM majors, and it's not like you want people to go on to create their own with these degrees you just want them to join white companies. There's a reason that blacks and women are underrepresented in STEM , and it's because those two groups are not encouraged to join those fields. In the case of blacks the math and science education for inner city schools is abysmal, so it's very understandable why people wouldn't major in STEM in college. All of this is to ask why you are really obsessed with STEM degrees? The obsession doesn't stem for a want for the betterment of our community, so what is it really about?

Sweetie pie, I am in my final year of study for a B.S. in Chemistry. What did you major in? Are you out here loaning your talents to these young minds that are consistently unappreciated in your community? With an answer like that I'm guessing NO.

What are you planning on doing after you finish your degree? I'm asking because I'm a stem grad in Biology; minor in Chem. Work as a formulation chemist.

To answer your question; the reason why I am obsessed with STEM degrees is because that was the only thing I was good at in high school besides sports, that's why I pursued it in college. Later on that's when I found out why I failed a lot of my classes in high school was because I have a STEM; mindset. I'm not interested in painting or other stuff like that; but if you give me a engineering magazine or something science based; I will read it front and back. When you say there are more important careers which does not involve some sort of STEM is not correct. Even if you wanted to become a famous painter; you might have to make your own paint, that's when mathematics and chemistry comes into play, even biology, if you decide to make paint from natural resources ie. plants, insects and etc. In order to have an excellent business you need to have good money management skills also; which included statistics and analytical consumer predictability.

I barley graduated from inner city high school and my stem teachers were black; when I went to my community college, my teachers with non-black. I graduated from an HBCU. When I got to my community college my love for science had deteriorated due to my non-black teachers. STEM degrees will help the black community; but entrepreneurship is the thing that will help the black community out more. If you have brothers and sisters that possess STEM degrees and have a entrepreneurship mindset, that's when you really make a substantial economical contribution to the black community.

There was research done on blacks and it showed that blacks excelled more so than the white counter parts. But when they reached middle school and further more into high school; their passion for science and technology dropped and the question is why? Here is the link; it's a PDF file; page 7 & 9 https://www.stemconnector.org/sites...STEM-Students-STEM-Jobs-Executive-Summary.pdf . I used to volunteer with black children when I had time and I taught them advance science and they understood. I had one child; female, and she would repeat everything I said word for word. I tested her in mathematics and I told her mom that your daughter I extremely smart; the following week the mother came up to me and told me that her daughter was bumped to 2 grade levels.
 
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The thing I don't get about the anti-liberal arts crowd is I wonder how they can enjoy film, books, tv, etc. When a lot of that is done by people who were educated in so-called useless subjects. They want everyone to do STEM and read astrophysics books for entertainment? :francis:
 
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I'm talking about middle school and high school. In elementary you stay with one teacher the entire day, but in middle school and high school you move around. I assumed he wanted to keep that level of attention up throughout those years too.


I understand exactly how important it is to have some of the population involved in STEM. The obsession here doesn't come from a place of community upliftment though. If it did people would be coming up with ways to entice young black children into it instead of shaming people for not getting STEM degrees. The way the inner city school system is set up it's a wonder that any black children pursue STEM.

I think a lot of it comes from the "black women have bullshyt degrees" bashfest.

There does need to be an earlier pipeline ie kindergarten to funnel kids into stem education.
 

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The thing I don't get about the anti-liberal arts crowd is I wonder how they can enjoy film, books, tv, etc. When a lot that is done by people who were educated in so-called useless subjects. They want everyone to do STEM and read astrophysics books for entertainment? :francis:

Balance.
 

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The thing I don't get about the anti-liberal arts crowd is I wonder how they can enjoy film, books, tv, etc. When a lot that is done by people who were educated in so-called useless subjects. They want everyone to do STEM and read astrophysics books for entertainment? :francis:
People who are anti-liberal arts degrees are usually uneducated about how the neoliberal political economy works, so they foolishly think that if the entire college population (and high school students) pursued STEM, that they will have more access to a dwindling job market; its actually pretty ironic since the social scientists and historians have been explaining how all this works but the anti-liberal arts people refuse to read and respect the system until its too late and Recessions and Bankruptcies take their jobs and pensions :mjlol:
 

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The thing I don't get about the anti-liberal arts crowd is I wonder how they can enjoy film, books, tv, etc. When a lot of that is done by people who were educated in so-called useless subjects. They want everyone to do STEM and read astrophysics books for entertainment? :francis:

Or what do they think of farmers, textilist, trade workers, bankers, etc since they eat, sleep, wear clothes, need equipment repair, etc
 

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If your end goal is to be paid a wage in this increasingly automated economy then you are lost.

Imo a "career" in being "employed" shouls be used mainly as a way to achieve capital to build your own wealth whether it be via investments/your own businesses. IMO people should via themselves as simply offering "consulting" services for a company they are employed by more so than being on some "im going to be here forever and this will make me all the money".

And the people who are going to Eat are those who use Tech to make things such as farming more efficient.
 

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The thing I don't get about the anti-liberal arts crowd is I wonder how they can enjoy film, books, tv, etc. When a lot of that is done by people who were educated in so-called useless subjects. They want everyone to do STEM and read astrophysics books for entertainment? :francis:
I read Astronomy/Astrophysics books even on my free time. I have been doing that every since I could first read,that's what started my interest in the cosmos.
Determining my college major was easy.
 
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