What is with the push for emasculating men?

[Seea]

I'm not gonna waste my time trying to dumb it down for your less logical female brain let's just leave it at that, sugar t*ts

You fukkin relic-ass thinker you. We off the sugar t*ts namecalling now. It's 2012 by the way.

 

[kevm3]

 

[No_bammer_weed]

It's not.

I believe in true equality, the type of equality where everyone is held to the same standard regardless of sex, that means I'm a true egalitarian, I don't buy into the myth that men have a monopoly on privilege and that men only perpetuate oppressive structures, to say such a thing discredits women. Women have power. This election proved such a thing.

I think the truth is much more nuanced than what feminist theory portrays it to be. This quote sums up my thoughts on the matter



The last sentence is tongue-in cheek but shes right. I think society is driven by our natures. Women have a different nature than men.The oppression lies in the adherence to the nature. The hardware isn't the problem, it's the software. We're running on outdated software.


The men who are whining in this thread, are they the same men who control society? What do we have in common with them apart from sharing the same sex? not much I imagine. It's a tokenism argument. All men are not the same. There are a lot of men who hate men and are biased in favor of women, some are even elected officials I hear.

I tried to interpret your earlier post, because you used ambiguous language that struck as coded. You're still doing it, in the way you directly and indirectly try to lay claim that our social and economic outcomes are owed to "nature", rather than any discriminatory behaviors.

You're playing the intellectual slight of hand game, where you deny the existence of a socially disadvantaged group, in order to further burden them w/ a claim of "true equality". This approach is discriminatory in itself, because it allows you to position attempts to regulate discrimination as the true discrimination, because a disadvantaged environment doesnt exist. Bottom line is that equality is not a reality for women. Our society has been a continuum of white male-imposed dominion, which history bares out.

Im not sure of the relevancy of your last paragraph. Im simply acknowledging the actual sociopolitical environment we live in, which certainly operates with male privilege.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Who in here is arguing against females having right to employment, being paid fairly, and the right to vote? We're talking about the agenda to emasculate men and removing men from the family structure. That has NOTHING to do with women to live in a society that treats them fairly.

Why is the black struggle ALWAYS brought up and conveniently used? It's funny how women are supposedly this highly discriminated group in society that men are oppressing... you mean the same women that can send a man to jail if he doesn't have the means to pay outlandish amounts of child support? Women who don't face equal consequences as men? Women who can hit, punch and spit on men and yet have HIM be taken away by the cops? Women automatically awarded custody of the kids in the vast majority of cases without any consideration of who is truly the more responsible. Women allowed to live well off the backs of their 'starter husbands' via divorce proceedings, alimony and chlid support? How about men being forced to pay child support for a kid that is proven not to be his biologically? Do women have to worry about a draft if a war broke out? Of losing their limbs on the front line? But yeah, that's similar to the black struggle of working up to sundown, having to eat disgusting scraps, being whipped and routinely degraded.

Who is absolving men of any responsibility? Men have a CRITICAL role in raising the family and ensuring the success of the children... and yet there are ACTIVE policies contributing to the dissolution of the family structure such as no-fault divorces for one. Guess who initiates the majority of divorces. Ever heard of the term 'starter-husband'?

Well, you were initially trying to establish connectivity between women, and presumably the outgrowth of women rights via feminism, with the statistics and variables you listed earlier.

I'd be hypocritical if I didnt acknowledge that our family and divorce courts work in a woman-centric manner, but a lot of what you cited is in the interest of the welfare of the child and is determined by income. In light of a divorce, if the household was designed in a way where the woman was a stay at home mom, how else should a judge resolve the separation?

Divorce rates are, to me at least, a reflection of women simply catching up to the selfish character of our overall social motivations. The 'greed is good and Im out to get mine' norms of the western world are far more damaging to the family structure, than this supposed interconnected matrix of feminazi's working to destroy the household, dont you think?

 

[Blackking]

You think society is entitled to holding people's hands and providing all the information... I dont, thats the difference

My question to you is, how come you know about the African holocaust and your people don't? Is it because "the folks pushing the agendas" thought you were special and decided to give you the inside scoop, or you took the initiative to seek out the info for yourself? If its the latter why can't your people do that? If you think the info is important are you out spreading it, or just complaining about being the only informed dude in your circle?

All I see in this thread is a bunch of dudes making excuses for not being strong role models & handing their business

Instead of crying like "women" why not go rectify the situation? Real men don't complain, they do real thangs

Real men know the difference between complaints and stating facts. I wish I could say I'm surprised at this thread.. but I look at some of the young dudes on the street and I think.. damn I must be old. But then I remember.. I'm only 28, and these n1ggas dressing like women and looking like fakkits really isn't normal.

Real men see things for what they are. I'm not going to write anything else to prove or provide links to show that society pushes certain agendas. It just is what it is. You can be so liberal or so prowoman or so feminist or whatever That you Have to pretend that the obvious isn't there... but the truth is the truth. Even females see it. It not just Real men that notice the obvious, women and men alike can see how men are often portrayed and how homosexuality is being pushed as the New Normal'. I can also see how black youth are portrayed and how woman are superficially shown on TV and how being a virtual slut is popularized w young woman.

Real men do spread messages. i don't feel that this is a message more so than a fact of life. The people in my circle know about the holocaust and Zionist manipulation... the reason my people as a whole are undereducated about history and society is because there's life to deal with and Most Americans don't learn truth in school.

Real men know the effects of societal manipulation and understand that from Egyptian leadership, to Gladiator battles in Rome, fakkit mentorship programs in Athenian senates, the Bible, federal reserve bank, to how they portrayed the black panthers, minstrel shows, National Socialist German Workers' Party, most white liberal movements in america, war on drugs, to this new gay family sh1t on TV, etc.. there are always agendas.

and yes society shouldn't manipulate. That is what I believe. I also believe that society is empowered through knowledge as a whole. Society is as strong as its family structures and its community structures. We are purposefully divided to fight over limited resources and stay divided due to the masses being manipulated into not having unity, not promoting family, over promoting the rare (gays, violence black youth, white trailer trash redneck, etc) and under promoting the more common. Divided by class and the allusion that, those of us that made it are somehow special. I have a skill set that makes people millions- that's y some of us are allowed to enjoy fruit from labor. Not because we are special... some will make it inevitably so that we can keep the top 1% holding the control and wealth.

smh, Malcolm X would get booooed for make his speech on white liberals these days.

 

[The Real]

Real men see things for what they are. I'm not going to write anything else to prove or provide links to show that society pushes certain agendas. It just is what it is.

Now we come to the core of this whole debate. This post is exemplary insofar as none of yall advocating this conspiracy can provide actual evidence linking women's rights/political equality/substantive feminism to any of the social ills you cite, or any of the wilder dystopian scenarios you fear. Your position is driven by emotion. At some point you're just going to have to come to terms with that.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Now we come to the core of this whole debate. This post is exemplary insofar as none of yall advocating this conspiracy can provide actual evidence linking women's rights/equality/substantive feminism to any of the social ills you cite, or any of the wilder dystopian scenarios you fear. Your position is driven by emotion. At some point you're just going to have to come to terms with that.

seriously, end of thread.

 

[Blackking]

Now we come to the core of this whole debate. This post is exemplary insofar as none of yall advocating this conspiracy can provide actual evidence linking women's rights/political equality/substantive feminism to any of the social ills you cite, or any of the wilder dystopian scenarios you fear. Your position is driven by emotion. At some point you're just going to have to come to terms with that.

debate isn't about woman rights. Equality is something that I promote for all people,, nothing about anything I've ever said has been contradictory to that. I've been on other sub fourms for saying that TLR was full of woman haters. Defended women in all those threads that tried to basically talk sh1t about women. This debate is not about woman equality AT ALL.

If you can't understand the core of the debate or are to blind to see that there are media driven agendas.. then that's ok. some people just dont see things for what they are. It's just like when I tell people I'm pro-black. Pro black isn't = white hate. White hate never achieved anything for black people. Just like anti emasculating agendas and anti-misrepresentation/ over representation of gayness in the media isn't ANTI woman.

Like I said.. If you can't understand the core of the debate or are to blind to see that their are media driven agendas.. then that's ok. sad but OK

 

[Blackking]

lol, you all want soooo badly to say that if a man isn't in denial about the media that they either want to suck a d, or hate all women including their mothers. SMH, I seriously don't understand how you can be so blind. lol, u n1ggas are just plain foolish.

I don't think any normal dude wants to oppress woman in anyway. I recognize obvious truths, so I'm a insecure chauvinist, , really? I believe I'm one of the least insecure posters on here, and I've been doing all the cooking and cleaning around my house lately due to her being preoccupied with something serious. I also make the money. I also gave speeches regarding sexism in the military. Men/woman relationships are partnerships. It's never good when one side disrespects the other. It's not ok if Woman or if the media does it to men as a whole.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

If you can't understand the core of the debate or are to blind to see that there are media driven agendas.. then that's ok. some people just dont see things for what they are...

Like I said.. If you can't understand the core of the debate or are to blind to see that their are media driven agendas.. then that's ok. sad but OK

Like he said, your whole argument boils down to emotion, not logic, and you're continuing to prove it with each post.

You can't support your claim with evidence. You're just saying "that's how it is because I said so" and getting emotional. The irony.

 

[Blackking]

Like he said, your whole argument boils down to emotion, not logic, and you're continuing to prove it with each post. The irony.

Not an really an argument, was a debate... however, when the opposing points weren't proven or where made invalid, posters (as usual) resorted to personal attacks and pointless posts about emotions n sh1t- actin (ironically) emotional.

I made points early on... but after a while I just stated that that's where I stand and gave other examples of manipulation. I don't think my post were hostile, just saying how things are. Logical Observations and obvious truths. You don't have to be emotional to state your opinion; nevertheless emotion doesn't make something untrue or illogical. Most speakers of the truth in history who gave some of the best most informative speeches, used emotions-- so what are you saying?

I take it you are here to just do your usual. Not really make an actual point, but to do the usual piggy back that virtually amounts to nothing. do u breh

 

[The Real]

debate isn't about woman rights. Equality is something that I promote for all people,, nothing about anything I've ever said has been contradictory to that. I've been on other sub fourms for saying that TLR was full of woman haters. Defended women in all those threads that tried to basically talk sh1t about women. This debate is not about woman equality AT ALL.

Ok, if that's true, then props for your defense of women's rights and taking a stand against misogyny.

If you can't understand the core of the debate or are to blind to see that there are media driven agendas.. then that's ok. some people just dont see things for what they are. It's just like when I tell people I'm pro-black. Pro black isn't = white hate. White hate never achieved anything for black people. Just like anti emasculating agendas and anti-misrepresentation/ over representation of gayness in the media isn't ANTI woman.

Like I said.. If you can't understand the core of the debate or are to blind to see that their are media driven agendas.. then that's ok. sad but OK

This is still conspiratorial, though. There is no agenda to emasculate, bruh. You can still find tons of testosterone on tv. I think you're being selective here. There are more diverse representations of men in the media now than there were before, but that doesn't suggest an agenda of any kind, nor that one of these representations is out to dominate and destroy the others. If anything, the masculine male image, including its less productive baggage, remains comfortably dominant. That's why people come up with these ideas about agendas in the first place, so in some sense, your own posts here are proof against your own argument.

 

[Fillerguy]

you maybe on to something, I've noticed an increase of men bytching and moaning bout women

 

[No_bammer_weed]

lol, you all want soooo badly to say that if a man isn't in denial about the media that they either want to suck a d, or hate all women including their mothers. SMH, I seriously don't understand how you can be so blind. lol, u n1ggas are just plain foolish.

I don't think any normal dude wants to oppress woman in anyway. I recognize obvious truths, so I'm a insecure chauvinist, , really? I believe I'm one of the least insecure posters on here, and I've been doing all the cooking and cleaning around my house lately due to her being preoccupied with something serious. I also make the money. I also gave speeches regarding sexism in the military. Men/woman relationships are partnerships. It's never good when one side disrespects the other. It's not ok if Woman or if the media does it to men as a whole.

I just dont think the lack of strong male leads in sitcoms, or too many homosexuals featured on TV, rises to the level where the sky is falling on men.

 

[Blackking]

This is still conspiratorial, though. .

ok. I agree.