more like a 0/100 chance for the first 4 males , a good mauling for the other 4, and a couple who managed to keep their intestines on the right side of their abdominal wall while they were all subduing it...
What is the apex land predator/animal? Who'd come out on top
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more like a 0/100 chance for the first 4 males , a good mauling for the other 4, and a couple who managed to keep their intestines on the right side of their abdominal wall while they were all subduing it...
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with their bare hands or with weapons? :clint:
not uncomfortable necessarily... but i definitely felt an immense amount of sadness and sympathy for any animal to have to go out like that.
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It's "natural". As "natural" as anything can ever be.
The sadness and sympathy you feel is quite unnatural and a byproduct of how society has conditioned us (for good and bad) to how the law of nature work.
Not saying you shouldn't feel what you feel, just want to explain why you feel it.
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Incorrect. Didn't we already go over this on the podcast? Empathy is not just a byproduct of societal conditioning.
man TUH you were all about how halal/kosher throat-cutting is unacceptably cruel and europe should ban it and a couple years later you're sticking arrows into animals and feeling nothing while watching something being eaten alive.
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Did we? I only remember us talking about Rand. I don't see how Rand plays a part in this though.
The sympathy and sadness Leyet or others feel is because we are no longer actively hunting or raising livestock. We did the same thing that lion did for almost our entire history.
They would slice the throats of animals to make them bleed out. This would make it easier to field dress. Hell, some people still do this until this day.
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It is cruel, because we devised better methods that is painless to the animal. Because I don't feel it an emotion to it doesn't mean the animal doesn't suffer. I know that animal the lion is eating is suffering. It's still natural.
We already determined that we can kill these animals en masse by much less painful methods. Why wouldn't we do that?
I kill my animals as quickly as possible. If I had means to a bolt gun I would. My bows are used for small animals and they die extremely quickly. The deer I have shot were shoot in the head. They died extremely quickly.
Do you think I'm incapable of determining whether something is cruel or not without feeling an emotion towards it? Because that's interesting if you do.
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The sadness and empathy Leyet feels about seeing the pain and suffering of the boar isn't "unnatural." Unnatural is essentially meaningless in this context anyway. Empathy for the boar is no less "natural" then indifference to it. As beings with highly developed limbic systems and neocortexes, feeling empathy to the suffering of a human or animal is a response rooted in our nature.
it's not simply about the tiger eating the boar, thats the law of the jungle and i respect that.
it was more about the boar being alive/unable to resist/still making screams of pain while the tiger was eating him alive. and who knows how long that lasted, it was probably hours until the boar's physical vessel totally gave out... that shyt aint right
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Yes, I agree. Emotions are rooted in biology.
What I said is that our "nature" has changed.
When we were out there killing animals with rocks, spears and blunt objects sympathy and empathy for the animals suffering was probably close to non-existent.
it's not about that. I'm just annoyed that I had to defend the way we slaughter goats in like 30 seconds to you and 18 months later you pop up saying "has anyone of you ever looked an animal you ate in the eye"
it makes me suspicious of your epiphaniesI think in the final analysis we can accept that raising free range animals and killing them by slitting their throats in under a minute is way better than whatever these factory farmers do making creatures live hellish lifes and making their deaths quite unpleasant as well. whether they finally die in 5 seconds from a bolt or 40 seconds from a blade isn't that big a difference to the animal as the rest of their lives and in death whether they're killed with care or just strung up on a line with hundreds of others and killed in a mechanized horrid state
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it's not simply about the tiger eating the boar, thats the law of the jungle and i respect that.
it was more about the boar being alive/unable to resist/still making screams of pain while the tiger was eating him alive. and who knows how long that lasted, it was probably hours until the boar's physical vessel totally gave out... that shyt aint right
Nah, I'm not saying you are wrong for feeling that. It's why I said natural in quotations.
I'm just saying for a large part of our existence, we were pretty much as animal as animal can be. We did what we had to do to survive.
For example, a hypothesis is that infants evolved to be born "cute" or with features we find "cute" is so we wouldn't abandon them when we were moving in search of food.
Konrad Lorenz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'll try to find the scientific journal I read this in a couple of years ago.