What is going on with Stephen A. Smith vs Ike Taylor ?

[Gravity]

Yeah the guy who recognizes that a "journalist" with their own show is not the same as some nikkas on a message board is the one making stupid points. No rebuttals for my points huh? That tends to happen when you make baseless arguments.

Steve and skip are not journalists on that show, they are simply 2 guys arguing with each other over sports related topics. The show has absolutely nothing to do with journalism. When steve and skip are on the show, they are the same as the posters here. No rebuttal for your points? You aren't making any points, you're just copping a plea making excuses.

 

[FTBS]

Steve and skip are not journalists on that show, they are simply 2 guys arguing with each other over sports related topics. The show has absolutely nothing to do with journalism. When steve and skip are on the show, they are the same as the posters here. No rebuttal for your points? You aren't making any points, you're just copping a plea making excuses.

How did they get the show? What is the basis for them having the show? Why don't you or I or anyone else on here have a show on ESPN? After all we are all the same as Skip and SAS right?

 

[Gravity]

How did they get the show? What is the basis for them having the show? Why don't you or I or anyone else on here have a show on ESPN? After all we are all the same as Skip and SAS right?

What does any of the idiocy you're posting have to do with posters complaining about behavior that they exhibit themselves? Nothing. I suspect that you're slow, but try harder to keep up.

 

[FTBS]

What does any of the idiocy you're posting have to do with posters complaining about behavior that they exhibit themselves? Nothing. I suspect that you're slow, but try harder to keep up.

Funny how everything you can't refute is stupid. I don't know how much simpler I can put it..."journalists" with their own daily show on a national network with degrees and years of experience and accolades should be held higher standards than nikkas on a message board that only requires an email address to sign up. I'm really not seeing what's so hard here.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Funny how everything you can't refute is stupid. I don't know how much simpler I can put it..."journalists" with their own daily show on a national network with degrees and years of experience and accolades should be held higher standards than nikkas on a message board that only requires an email address to sign up. I'm really not seeing what's so hard here.

What are these points that they shouldn't be making due to they Experience ? You keep saying that but ignoring the fact they are columnists and they job is to give they opinion and commentate . They not analysts or sports center anchors this isn't espn news it's a debate show . Not to mention once you become a public figure public criticism is part of the package . Celebrities have movie critics and gossip columnists , politicians have political pundits and news talking heads , sports guys have reporters saying they played a bad game and they crying bout it. The only thing they did that was eh really was the jeter Hgh thing everything else is soft athletes

 

[Gravity]

Funny how everything you can't refute is stupid. I don't know how much simpler I can put it..."journalists" with their own daily show on a national network with degrees and years of experience and accolades should be held higher standards than nikkas on a message board that only requires an email address to sign up. I'm really not seeing what's so hard here.

How do you refute questions?

I'm saying that people here complain about the trolling that skip and Steve do, when they do the same thing here. You can't complain about the things that someone else does when you're guilty of doing the same things, without being a hypocrite. Hypocrite is an real word with a real definition, and a lot of posters fit the definition. None of your plea copping and excuse making will change that. At least Steve and skip are paid trolls, it's their job to troll. Youve got posters here that are just trolling for each other's attention.

 

[23Barrettcity]

How do you refute questions?

I'm saying that people here complain about the trolling that skip and Steve do, when they do the same thing here. You can't complain about the things that someone else does when you're guilty of doing the same things, without being a hypocrite. Hypocrite is an real word with a real definition, and a lot of posters fit the definition. None of your plea copping and excuse making will change that. At least Steve and skip are paid trolls, it's their job to troll. Youve got posters here that are just trolling for each other's attention.

It's only trolling if they don't believe it and everyone says skip believes in tebow but he even hedges and says that tebow isn't better than say rg3 . The lebron thing he clearly loves Jordan and that's were that stems from. If this was espn news id give everyone has a point yet it's a debate show starring 2 columnists with a rotating cast of contributors. Not to mention since Sas is there they call skip on his weirdness more and more

 

[FTBS]

What are these points that they shouldn't be making due to they Experience ? You keep saying that but ignoring the fact they are columnists and they job is to give they opinion and commentate . They not analysts or sports center anchors this isn't espn news it's a debate show . Not to mention once you become a public figure public criticism is part of the package . Celebrities have movie critics and gossip columnists , politicians have political pundits and news talking heads , sports guys have reporters saying they played a bad game and they crying bout it. The only thing they did that was eh really was the jeter Hgh thing everything else is soft athletes

If what you do and say as a "journalist" is comparable to what nikkas on a message board do and say then something is wrong with you as a "journalist". Criticize and praise who you want as long as it is based in fact. However to go on crusades for and against guys based on how you feel is bullshyt regardless of who does it but it's even worse for guys how are quick to throw out the "journalist" card.

How do you refute questions?

I'm saying that people here complain about the trolling that skip and Steve do, when they do the same thing here. You can't complain about the things that someone else does when you're guilty of doing the same things, without being a hypocrite. Hypocrite is an real word with a real definition, and a lot of posters fit the definition. None of your plea copping and excuse making will change that. At least Steve and skip are paid trolls, it's their job to troll. Youve got posters here that are just trolling for each other's attention.

The last part is very true and very sad and I never denied that. However paid professionals have higher standards than the average person. You expect more from a person trained in a certain discipline than you do from people who are not. You expect a lawyer to be better are arguing a case than the average person. You expect a doctor to be better at diagnosing an illness than the average person. You expect a pro athlete to be better at their sport than the average person. You expect a "journalist" to go on TV and deal with fact and not to resort to 3rd grade level attention whoring more so than the average person. My only point has been that if you think that Skip and SAS do the same thing on their show that nikkas do on here that is a bad reflection on them and the show rather than nikkas on here. nikkas on here do not have standards to live up to while Skip and SAS do.

 

[Gravity]

The last part is very true and very sad and I never denied that. However paid professionals have higher standards than the average person. You expect more from a person trained in a certain discipline than you do from people who are not. You expect a lawyer to be better are arguing a case than the average person. You expect a doctor to be better at diagnosing an illness than the average person. You expect a pro athlete to be better at their sport than the average person. You expect a "journalist" to go on TV and deal with fact and not to resort to 3rd grade level attention whoring more so than the average person. My only point has been that if you think that Skip and SAS do the same thing on their show that nikkas do on here that is a bad reflection on them and the show rather than nikkas on here. nikkas on here do not have standards to live up to while Skip and SAS do.

See, this isn't about expectations, standards, or any of that. I still don't get these analogies. People troll by choice, whether it's the talking heads on TV or the posters here. It's not about being a professional. I'm saying that if you're going to criticize skip for being a hater of certain players while you hate on certain players, you're a hypocrite. So on and so on. My point is that people complain about skip and how he acts, but he'd fit right in here as a poster. Trolling is a bad look for whoever is doing it, but especially the people who are hypocritical about it.

 

[Still Benefited]

at you missing the part where I explicitly stated that players shouldn't pay them any attention but reading way too much into the face to face thing. Taylor is the one who made it out to be personal attacks and who took the offense to that level. My only point was that getting enraged from afar is pretty stupid because you can't really do anything about it. Seriously did you read my post?




No plea copping just calling it how it is as usual. Regardless of how you wanna spin it and have a higher level or responsibility than a bunch of random nikkas on a message board. You are comparing the analysis of rich, award-winning journalists to cats that are in high school, college, and work in other fields and that reflects poorly on the latter?

Its clear these players don't see Stephen A and Skip are actually showing restraint and exercising responsibility lol....these players obviously don't read these guys articles in the papers or anybody elses if they take those statements from skip and stephen a seriously.....they go LIGHT on these dudes on first take.....Stephen A the one wrote the article about Iverson having gambling issues and drinking himself into oblivion that the whole world took note of....when do they ever talk about that kinda shyt on First Take....I hardly ever see them get to personal,Ike mad cuz they used the word banishment....what GM gon banish u cuz Stephen A said "banish him"? He ain't even a football analyst....the show is just two guys talking like real sports fans talk...how many nikkas y'all talk about sports with that rely on facts? Say what u want but at least dudes on here is educated in they stupid opinions....I gotta hear "raiders suck cuz carson palmers a fukboy"..."y'all won't ever win shyt bcuz y'all losers" from Chiefs fans....Chiefs fans...fools ain't seen a superbowl for at least 3 generations...but I digest,these guys just talkin like regular sports fans talk in a slightly more educated manner...the overexagerations included.


Ike need to go read sum articles in his local paper and sum of the radio stations if he worried about his money....GMs is lookin at that,and listening to that radio to gauge fan response before they listenin to fukin Stephen A.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Whole lotta goin on up in hea.

 

[aqualung]

Most athletes have been coddled and told how great they are their entire lives..they cant comprehend somebody could say something negative about them...

ummmmm...
well...
They work really hard to beat out thousands of OTHER athletes who want their positions. Lip service or not, NFL-level athletes have EARNED IT.

I have no idea why Taylor gives a rip about SAS's bloviations. u_u
I'll watch NFL football and chew Donatos pizza 1-4pm tmrw, doe.

 

[FTBS]

See, this isn't about expectations, standards, or any of that. I still don't get these analogies. People troll by choice, whether it's the talking heads on TV or the posters here. It's not about being a professional. I'm saying that if you're going to criticize skip for being a hater of certain players while you hate on certain players, you're a hypocrite. So on and so on. My point is that people complain about skip and how he acts, but he'd fit right in here as a poster. Trolling is a bad look for whoever is doing it, but especially the people who are hypocritical about it.

It's very simple the expectations are for people who are paid a lot of money to do something on TV are greater then they are for random cats on the street. You've never said that a NBA player, who is no doubt better than you, is wack or a scrub? Is that hypocritical? If Jay-Z came out with 5 straight trash albums and nikkas who's skills are nowhere near his said his shyt was wack would that be hypocritical? Whether they are entertainers or journalists they should still be expected to give you more than nikkas on a message board give you. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that. I am not denying that nikkas troll on here. I am not in support of nikkas trolling anywhere. My only point is that trolling on TV when you get paid big money for your journalistic credibility is not the same as trolling in your mom's basement or your dorm room or your apt or house.

 

[Gravity]

It's very simple the expectations are for people who are paid a lot of money to do something on TV are greater then they are for random cats on the street. You've never said that a NBA player, who is no doubt better than you, is wack or a scrub? Is that hypocritical? If Jay-Z came out with 5 straight trash albums and nikkas who's skills are nowhere near his said his shyt was wack would that be hypocritical? Whether they are entertainers or journalists they should still be expected to give you more than nikkas on a message board give you. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that. I am not denying that nikkas troll on here. I am not in support of nikkas trolling anywhere. My only point is that trolling on TV when you get paid big money for your journalistic credibility is not the same as trolling in your mom's basement or your dorm room or your apt or house.

Your posts are so stupid that they're funny. You literally keep saying the same dumb stuff over and over again, as if I'm just going to suddenly say "you know, after reading this nonsense for the 4th or 5th time, I think that you're right". I'm not going to say that. My point remains, posters here whine about how skip behaves when they exhibit similar behavior.

 

[FTBS]

Your posts are so stupid that they're funny. You literally keep saying the same dumb stuff over and over again, as if I'm just going to suddenly say "you know, after reading this nonsense for the 4th or 5th time, I think that you're right". I'm not going to say that. My point remains, posters here whine about how skip behaves when they exhibit similar behavior.

Why change when I'm right? I just love how everything that can't be refuted is dumb. You would think that at some point after the 3rd grade one would have learned how to express differing points of view without resorting to insults. Then again veteran "journalists" get paid to do it on TV so .