What Happens If Biafra Gains Its Independence From Nigeria?

[Bonk]

This.

The biggest slave trading states were the Oyo and Dahomey.

Dummy, Oyo empire was an hinterland Yoruba empire and it wasn't anywhere near the coast, albeit there are other Yoruba subgroups on the coast. And Oyo never really ventured to the coast because it used cavalry (horses) for most of its trading and wars - and due to tsetse fly, in the rain forest around the coast, it was unsafe. Also, Bight of Benin, where Yorubas and Dahomey are located wasn't really a big slave coast, until the late 1700s and 1800s, when Oyo empire had already collapsed, hence when you check all slave records from the 1600s to early 1700s, you wouldn't see that many slaves from the Bight of Benin.

However, Arochukwu Igbos sold millions of other Igbos into slavery in the Bight of Biafra, hence that was biggest slave trade coast in present day Nigeria. And you can check the slave records from 1600s to see how thousands of Igbos have been getting sold into slavery from the 1600s by their Arochukwu brothers.

Don't confuse Oyo with Arochukwu Igbos - two different people. And cacs didn't get to Oyo until the 1800s when it had already collapsed because they were scared of the powerful Yoruba empire in the hinterland. Oyo also protected Yorubas from being enslaved.

 

[Nemesis]

Yorubas in this thread aren't minding their business


Example - @Nemesis

lol at mentioning me ....... dude youre bitter .....your jealousy is eating you up .... you cant expect to insult people which is what you were doing and then not be called out on your foolishness .....

Im in Lagos every other month and your people think people like you are noisemakers ....lol

you spout a lot of nonsense which is why I had to call you to task and which is why you couldn't refute any of my posts.....

your typical of the kind of person that wants Biafra ..... you want it so badly but wont go to build it up or live there..... armchair revolutionary spouting nonsense from the sidelines .....

you just angry and bitter for no reason .... like i said Yorubas are good , we are in a good position and we want you to go ...... trust me, get a referendum and we will vote with you for Biafra ..........

 

[Bonk]

It's historically documented that Awolowo spread lies about Azikiwe. Toyin Falola (A Yoruba!) published books on it.

You're deflecting from the fact that Azikiwe had to form an alliance with the North because of Yoruba hatred and prejudice. Sad!

You can't just make preposterous claims without citing examples.

Ojukwu also called Azikwe names and accused him of a lot things. So, your point is?

How about how it's historically documented that Ojukwu said: Awolowo is the best president Nigeria never had and how much he respected him? And wasn't Ojukwu the greatest Igbo leader?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

How is that video hate speech? It actually happened.

Fulanis have vowed to ethnically cleanse parts of Nigeria.

Why are you sympathizing with genocidal maniacs which have killed thousands of people over the past 2 years?

Exactly. Lots of so called Nigerians see nothing wrong with Igbo marginalization. It's pathetic. The north have allowed religious zealots to take over their lands, now those demos want to do the same thing to igbos. Everyday I read the news about some Fulanis killing or maiming innocent villagers all over nigeria. Our supposed government does nothing to protect it's citizens from the menace, because Buhari protects these devils.

It's disgusting. Nigeria is a cursed experiment and will never flourish in it's current state. The quicker the split the better imho.

 

[HAL 9000]

Dummy, Oyo empire was an hinterland Yoruba empire and it wasn't anywhere near the coast, albeit there are other Yoruba subgroups on the coast. And Oyo never really ventured to the coast because it used cavalry (horses) for most of its trading and wars - and due to tsetse fly, in the rain forest around the coast, it was unsafe. Also, Bight of Benin, where Yorubas and Dahomey are located wasn't really a big slave coast, until the late 1700s and 1800s, when Oyo empire had already collapsed, hence when you check all slave records from the 1600s to early 1700s, you wouldn't see that many slaves from the Bight of Benin.

However, Arochukwu Igbos sold millions of other Igbos into slavery in the Bight of Biafra, hence that was biggest slave trade coast in present day Nigeria. And you can check the slave records from 1600s to see how thousands of Igbos have been getting sold into slavery from the 1600s by their Arochukwu brothers.

Don't confuse Oyo with Arochukwu Igbos - two different people. And cacs didn't get to Oyo until the 1800s when it had already collapsed because they were scared of the powerful Yoruba empire in the hinterland. Oyo also protected Yorubas from being enslaved.

#Alternative facts. Own your history dude.


Slavery and the Kingdoms of Oyo, Dahomey and Asante

"Oyo was a slave state, and its king used slave labor on his vast farmlands. In wars, Oyo took more slaves than it needed for the royal farms, and it traded them to the Europeans for guns, cloth, metal goods and cowry shells."



Oyo Empire | Slavery and Remembrance

"The empire grew during the eighteenth century, as it became more involved in slave trading. Oyo also maintained it traditional position as brokers and traders between Yorubas to the south and Hausas to the north. Enslaved laborers provided food for the empire from their work on Oyo royal farms. Surplus labor, when available, was sold to the Atlantic coast."


Kingdom of Oyo | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed
Under Alafin (King) Obalokun, Oyo expanded southwestward to the Atlantic coast, and became part of the Atlantic Ocean trade system. Trading mainly in slaves, Oyo was able to acquire much-needed foreign exchange. During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, Oyo further expanded westward under Alafin Ajagbo, becoming a major empire, but never encompassing all Yoruba-speaking peoples.

In response to attacks by the Nupe people, Oyo became much more militarized, reorganizing its cavalry and infantry in the sixteenth century. The cavalry became the foundation of the army. Because of its Atlantic ports, Oyo was able to obtain horses for its cavalry from Europe and North Africa.

Oyo's wealth from trading and especially slave trading led to debates about the kingdom's future. Some alafins wanted to use the wealth to maintain the army and expand the geographic area of the state, others wanted it for conspicuous consumption. These differences led to civil wars as rivals competed for control of the throne and of Oyo's vast treasury. This period of internal strife ended with Alafin Abiodun (1754-1789) who reduced the power of the army.

 

[HAL 9000]

@Bonk

The fact that you lied about the Oyo empire not being involved in slavery makes me question every single thing you've posted in this thread.
Shady motherfukker.

 

[BigMan]

basically all the kingdoms and tribes that bordered the Atlantic ocean were involved in the Slave trade. but they weren't selling their neighbors like how cacs say

 

[Absalom's Thought]

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[Bawon Samedi]

The fact that you lied about the Oyo empire not being involved in slavery makes me question every single thing you've posted in this thread.
Shady motherfukker.

Exposed. I was about to question him too about the Oyo.

 

[Bonk]

#Alternative facts. Own your history dude.


Slavery and the Kingdoms of Oyo, Dahomey and Asante

"Oyo was a slave state, and its king used slave labor on his vast farmlands. In wars, Oyo took more slaves than it needed for the royal farms, and it traded them to the Europeans for guns, cloth, metal goods and cowry shells."

Oyo Empire | Slavery and Remembrance

"The empire grew during the eighteenth century, as it became more involved in slave trading. Oyo also maintained it traditional position as brokers and traders between Yorubas to the south and Hausas to the north. Enslaved laborers provided food for the empire from their work on Oyo royal farms. Surplus labor, when available, was sold to the Atlantic coast."


Kingdom of Oyo | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed
Under Alafin (King) Obalokun, Oyo expanded southwestward to the Atlantic coast, and became part of the Atlantic Ocean trade system. Trading mainly in slaves, Oyo was able to acquire much-needed foreign exchange. During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, Oyo further expanded westward under Alafin Ajagbo, becoming a major empire, but never encompassing all Yoruba-speaking peoples.

In response to attacks by the Nupe people, Oyo became much more militarized, reorganizing its cavalry and infantry in the sixteenth century. The cavalry became the foundation of the army. Because of its Atlantic ports, Oyo was able to obtain horses for its cavalry from Europe and North Africa.

Oyo's wealth from trading and especially slave trading led to debates about the kingdom's future. Some alafins wanted to use the wealth to maintain the army and expand the geographic area of the state, others wanted it for conspicuous consumption. These differences led to civil wars as rivals competed for control of the throne and of Oyo's vast treasury. This period of internal strife ended with Alafin Abiodun (1754-1789) who reduced the power of the army.

You're an idiot. You quoted pseudo-history a bunch of half-baked historians who don't even know the geography of Yorubaland and any Yoruba kingdom involved in slave trading, is regarded as Oyo, since they were all Yoruba.

In the Bight of Benin, along the coast, apart from Dahomey, there were other two Yoruba Kingdoms who were there: Ijebu and Eko (Awori but controlled by Bini empire). And both did sell slaves, but not in the quantity of all the other slave coasts - until the late early 1800s, when Oyo collapsed and there was infighting amongst the Yorubas. Obviously, the slaves sold on the coast by these two other Yoruba groups, were counted as Oyo, since Oyo is mostly used as a pseudonym for all Yorubas by historians.

If you had a brain, you'd have noted this excerpt from one of your links:

The Oyo Empire was a powerful Yoruba state in the modern country of Nigeria. It began in the 1300s in the West African savannah north of the tropical forests where other Yoruba peoples lived. Being in the savannah proved beneficial, as Oyo could use horses, which were unable to live farther south (due to the tsetse fly). Using this armored cavalry, the empire was able to extend its reach across parts of what is now northern and western Nigeria. Oyo was generally unable to penetrate to the coast except where the savanna reached southward to the ocean in Benin.

Oyo Empire | Slavery and Remembrance

The emboldened part was basically said in my post. So, pray tell, how an empire that couldn't penetrate the coast (according to your link), due to tsetse fly because it used horses, would have sold slaves on the coast, you lunkhead?


Now, let's compare it to the Bight of Biafra, where Arochukwu Igbos were located:

Major trading cities in the Bight of Biafra included Bonny and Old Calabar. From this region, slave traders embarked more than one million captive Africans over the course of the transatlantic slave trade.

They sold more than one million of their Igbo brothers and sisters into slavery.

 

[HAL 9000]

Exposed. I was about to question him too about the Oyo.

He's probably going to start dodging this thread.

Edit: Spoke too soon.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

lol nothing @Micromegas posted was "pseudo-history", stop being in denial.

 

[HAL 9000]

lol nothing @Micromegas posted was "pseudo-history", stop being in denial.

The dude is a moron lol.

 

[Bonk]

Brehs, I view tribalism as a spectrum wherein ingroup favouritism needs not to automatically mean or result in zero-sum mentalities and attitudes.
Still, there is nonetheless a type of hard tribalism that is dangerous and historically has wrought us a great deal of misery. This thread does not bode well.

No, I didn't lie about Oyo. Oyo was involved in holding captives from war and making them slaves in empire. However, due to access to the coast - it was never really involved in transatlantic slavery. And even if it did, it was likely through 3rd party. If he had said coastal Yorubas like Ijebus and Ekos - then he's right. Ijebus and Ekos did sell slaves.

Also, slavery wasn't that big in the Bight of Benin until after the collapse of Oyo, during the Yoruba internecine wars, when everyone was selling captives to buy guns for wars. That's why there weren't that many Yoruba slaves until the 1800s. And when you consider that, you'd see what I was alluding to.

White historians who don't really know much about the geography of Yorubaland tend to call all Yorubas Oyo. But Ijebus and Ekos - the coastal Yorubas groups - were never part of Oyo.

 

[HAL 9000]

You're an idiot. You quoted pseudo-history a bunch of half-baked historians who don't even know the geography of Yorubaland and any Yoruba kingdom involved in slave trading, is regarded as Oyo, since they were all Yoruba.

In the Bight of Benin, along the coast, apart from Dahomey, there were other two Yoruba Kingdoms who were there: Ijebu and Eko (Awori but controlled by Bini empire). And both did sell slaves, but not in the quantity of all the other slave coasts - until the late early 1800s, when Oyo collapsed and there was infighting amongst the Yorubas. Obviously, the slaves sold on the coast by these two other Yoruba groups, were counted as Oyo, since Oyo is mostly used as a pseudonym for all Yorubas by historians.

If you had a brain, you'd have noted this excerpt from one of your links:



The emboldened part was basically said in my post. So, pray tell, how an empire that couldn't penetrate the coast (according to your link), due to tsetse fly because it used horses, would have sold slaves on the coast, you lunkhead?


Now, let's compare it to the Bight of Biafra, where Arochukwu Igbos were located:



They sold more than one million of their Igbo brothers and sisters into slavery.

Are you retarded? They obviously moved southwestward(as my post says).
Stop trying to rewrite history! The Oyo empire is well known for being a former slave trading state.