What happened to Rock is slowly happening to Rap. You are seeing the beginning of Rap no longer being the dominant genre in music

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Pop Smoke, Juice Wrld and XXX would’ve changed the trajectory of rap
Yup. Don’t forget guys a tier lower

Nipsey
Von
Mo3
Lil snupe
Duck
Trouble
Bankroll fresh
TakeOff
LA Capone
Drakeo the ruler
Young Dolph

That’s just off the top of my head

Now guys that’s in prison

YFN lucci
Young thug
Pooh Shiesty
Foogianno
Tayk47

All these flabby heads who think rap is “dying” have no idea what they’re talking about

Ppl still want to hear rap music more than ever, just the artist have literally been taken away

It’ll take another 2-3 years or so for a new wave of artist to push thru but best believe when they do it’ll be business as usual
 

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Yup. Don’t forget guys a tier lower

Nipsey
Von
Mo3
Lil snupe
Duck
Trouble
Bankroll fresh
TakeOff
LA Capone
Drakeo the ruler
Young Dolph

That’s just off the top of my head

Now guys that’s in prison

YFN lucci
Young thug
Pooh Shiesty
Foogianno

All these flabby heads who think rap is “dying” have no idea what they’re talking about

Ppl still want to hear rap music more than ever, just the artist have literally been taken away

It’ll take another 2-3 years or so for a new wave of artist to push thru but best believe when they do it’ll be business as usual
forgot about dolph and drakeo. Dolph was universally loved by a lot of people. Even random cacs I knew bumped his shyt
 

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forgot about dolph and drakeo. Dolph was universally loved by a lot of people. Even random cacs I knew bumped his shyt
Yup. I had to add tayk47 to the list of locked up cuz I forgot.

Not that I was the biggest fan of his music but he literally had the biggest song for a summer. He definitely could’ve been a star rn. Hell even ynw melly.

Honestly I anticipated this to be a wacc year in hip hop with so many artist taken away :yeshrug:
 

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It simply got really fukking stale.

Even big artists music, really stale.

Foreign music low key always been popping so I'm not even surprised with Spanish music hitting as heavy as it is.

I may not be able to understand what they're saying, but I can't relate to what most of these rappers talk about today anyways.
Much of "spanish music" is a subsidiary of rap and hip hop -black "URBAN" Culture.Same with AFROBEAT

Nikkas are easily impressed by a bunch of spanish rapers doing their best Travis Scott Impression-This includes BAD BUNNY

lol at me coming from a culture that's responsible for modern music as we know it, and being impressed by this shyt:russ:
 

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Every year there is a music report. You can look it up by year. Rap took over in 2017 and hasn’t let go since.

The chart would be an uphill climb since it was nothing in the 70s and #1 today.


This is exclusively due to the ability to stream and buy music without leaving the house. If you're going by streams and online purchases, versus having to get up and purchase a album, of course you'll see a increase. But the content of todays rap music is undeniably garbage.
 

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Much of "spanish music" is a subsidiary of rap and hip hop -black "URBAN" Culture.Same with AFROBEAT

Nikkas are easily impressed by a bunch of spanish rapers doing their best Travis Scott Impression-This includes BAD BUNNY

lol at me coming from a culture that's responsible for modern music as we know it, and being impressed by this shyt:russ:
I just ain't surprised the music is hitting, all I'm saying.

Might be crazy to say, but we've heard so much crazy shyt in music already. Nothing is really new and there are only so many sound frequencies.

The era of DAWs and streaming also means when someone comes up with something new tens of thousands of people around the world can copy and paste something and flood the market in a few days.

Times have changed. Music making tech is a whole other tier compared to what we had before.
People with a legit $500 computer making shyt that took thousands of dollars of musical hardware to make at one point.
 

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This is exclusively due to the ability to stream and buy music without leaving the house. If you're going by streams and online purchases, versus having to get up and purchase an album, of course you'll see an increase. But the content of todays rap music is undeniably garbage.
Ok but isn’t every music genre doing streaming? So why ain’t they surpassing anything? When you go outside or turn on the tv, do you hear country in every commercial? Rock? Afrobeats? Or is it hip hop in the commercials, on the way to commercials, being b*stardized for burger commercials, having special musical episodes on your fav show, being broadcast on sports channels, being plastered all over your kids wall.


It’s really crazy we got to a point where rap is leading all packs and people making all sorts of excuses why and praying for its downfall. Yes the music sucks right now but being number 10 ain’t gonna make it any better. It’s the labels who are pushing this shyt and the kids who love it. Making better music ain’t gonna have them change their tastes tomorrow.
 

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I said it before in another thread: streaming definitely took so much anticipation out of music.
It's actually a side effect not many people saw coming.
Having access to so much music is a great thing, but there is a tradeoff and modern popular music takes the biggest damage.

Back then people would spend the whole day trying to find the leaks. Find a leak by a poster and bam you have a thread doing numbers.
People from all over the internet coming to that thread. Everybody knows who got the sauce.
Cats then load it onto their phone and blasting that shyt in the whip like they got an exclusive.

Now new releases go right to your phone at Thursday 9:00PM PST. No need to go looking for it. Listen to it when you got time.

The event is basically neutralized. That leads to less discussion. shyt comes and goes. It's low key all on even ground now.
 
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Ok but isn’t every music genre doing streaming? So why ain’t they surpassing anything? When you go outside or turn on the tv, do you hear country in every commercial? Rock? Afrobeats? Or is it hip hop in the commercials, on the way to commercials, being b*stardized for burger commercials, having special musical episodes on your fav show, being broadcast on sports channels, being plastered all over your kids wall.


It’s really crazy we got to a point where rap is leading all packs and people making all sorts of excuses why and praying for its downfall. Yes the music sucks right now but being number 10 ain’t gonna make it any better. It’s the labels who are pushing this shyt and the kids who love it. Making better music ain’t gonna have them change their tastes tomorrow.

Absolutely nobody is praying for its downfall.. People are just frustrated with the messaging thats being put out.. The balance just isn't there anymore.

The beats sound awesome though and possibly the driver in record streams because I can't understand a word a lot of these artists are saying.
 

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is the new stuff the majority of the current sales in rap music? people could be buying (streaming) old music.
 

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I think it’s a couple of things that has rap looking funny in the light. The main thing in my humble opinion is so many black folks losing their soul by thinking the white mans ice is colder. I remember LeBron said something like “ stop trying to fit out and just fit in” he was talking about basketball but it can be applied to our current predicament as black folks in America. We have to many c00ns who just want to be contrarian. Black people “talking white”, pretending to love “white shyt or other shyt” like rock,k-pop, bad bunny:mjlol: and the biggest thing, young black folks politically acting like old conservative racist cacs in a attempt to be edgy and shunning anything “black” even each other :mjpls: I know some of y’all think it’s “just music” but it’s deeper than that. Soulless music is just a early symptom of a bigger issue for us, just like erectile dysfunction is just a early check engine light for heart disease, we are dying. African Americans are the soul of this earth and so many of us can’t see the forest for the trees :francis:
 

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:what:da 90’s what is the pinnacle hip-hop, R&B and all urban music ….. da hell you talking about :what:
In comparison to the 80s, R&B took a hit. The art started to suffer from formulaic commercialism. Don't get me wrong, it was still amazing but compared to 80s R&B it was a decline. Yeah hip hop/rap hit it's peak in the 90s. I didn't mean to include those.
the 90’s was this new , fresh & more urban version
In the 90s, you kind of started to lose that variety.
A lack of creativity, zeitgeist, no real development by labels, shifting demos and time for a reboot cause hip hop is in need of an overhaul, cultural and musical.
The current devolved state of music (and pretty much every other medium) is due to this corporate straight jacket.
The industry started eliminating individuality.
Nobody's pushing the art forward. Nobodys being innovative.
90s was when hip-hop and R&B became more radio oriented and localized to the club. Once black music left the living room, the rent parties, the Chitlin Circuit, our clubs, our neighborhoods and became a product of white record labels, the writing was on the wall. The decline in quality was integral to commercialization, the target audience of the music was no longer the originators of the music.

Market research played a part in this. Most corporations do this to figure out where the most money will be and how to tap into it. Earlier cultural backlash from whites becomes acceptance when the art form becomes commodified and their children begin listening to it. In the process it gets watered down and homogenizes, so variety in this market is discouraged from an economic standpoint, artistic innovation is not part of the business plan. Businesses don't want to spend extra money marketing a variety of rap artists of different styles if they can just have a generic rap artist. This is why, hip-hop specifically, got overran in the 90s, they put out a great movie on this topic in the early 00s:
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Pay attention to the music and the movies at the time now y'all got history. Brown Sugar was an epilogue to a decade of commercializing hip-hop. You can go back to the 80s, but that's really an introductory period.

The 90s was the golden age, and businesses were trying to figure out what variety of hip-hop would stand the test of time and be more marketable after the millennium. The conscious rapper won't survive the media (radio) if the clubs and radio are in agreement. It gets pushed further underground, if artists get signed or were signed they get a reduced budget for their albums, flop, get dropped from the label, pivot to what's selling or burn out. There was a slower time marrying hip-hop and R&B, the early 00s is when it really took off in the mainstream.

Violence in hip-hop became more marketable in the clubs, either through gangsta rap or content. It Was Written is a great example of the concept that shifted black music, it established the standard that was further reworked for artists like Ja Rule, 50 Cent. Tupac played a part in how a rapper should look for a period of time.

There were "conscious" artists and rappers still with artistic integrity but they had to adjust to the overall changes in the mainstream in one way or another. Some were more successful than others. You can look into Common's career at the end of the 90s and Like Water for Chocolate, Soulquarians was the last bit of consciousness hip-hop had associated with the early 90s and that was Questlove and Q-Tip (The Roots and Tribe had albums out before '94). Common was out in '92, but he wasn't an East Coast rapper. Most of them Soulquarians migrated to New York.

A lot of research went into studying black communities in New York, Harlem and Brooklyn to be specific and had to do with the riots in the 1960s.
Good. Modern day Minstrel Show rap has killed the revolutionary spirit of black people
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once you start getting borderline avant garde you kill your appeal to the masses.
Appealing to the masses has been the problem.
Jazz didn't develop to appeal to the masses, it was developed as a regional music that became national, then global once there was purpose. If not for those avant-garde musicians innovating, you wouldn't have the commercial elements. Jazz had to go through a couple periods of being unaccepted for being "avant-garde" before it got to smooth jazz.
Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, John Coltrane...

Jazz education focuses on the commercial aspects of jazz because it's "America's Music". They don't approach fusion. This same idea is being done with hip-hop on university campuses. You bump this album?
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Difference now is how we let media generally tell us what to like. Our innovators the first ones to get stepped on at the time and praised in hindsight if they don't grow in the mainstream first then take an avant-garde approach:
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If a new black genre develops it will be avant-garde because the "rules" of the genre won't be established. Problem with "now" is that record labels know this and will try to water it down before the debut drops. That's where all the pretentious shyt come from, all their music videos look like they're the same concept, production sounds the same. That's why there was a wave of black artists doing "avant-garde" styled music from a Eurocentric standpoint.

Black avant-garde music generally cannot be marketable unless it conforms to Eurocentric standards: the label.
The bolded have been "all lives mattered". According to white, asians, and latinos... those are not black genres that we created.
They will always be our genres, we need to stop abandoning them en masse for the "new" thing when it's all "our" thing.

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Rap is garbage.

killa a opp

suck a cock

whatever happened to party music?

and yeah I don’t understand what the afrobeats brehs are saying but fukk, I don’t understand what lil Wayne or young boy say either so…

good riddance to rap.
 
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