What does Michael Jordan do better than LeBron besides score?

[Poitier]

Jordon got to full out ISO all the time because of the old illegal defense rule. How many points you think LeBron would score if teams weren't able to triple team him in the paint...

Kobe, a pretty good analogue for Jordan on offense, was a better volume scorer in the same era as Lebron so its a huge reach

Also, Jordan didn't guard "offenses"....we aren't talking about team defense but individual on-ball defense which translates no matter the era.

 

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[DonKnock]

I was at Jordan Brand Classic this whole week, and you should have seen the reaction when the HS players was introduced to Mike, both men and female. It was like they asked him to be their lord and savior. He is untouchable for them too. So not this generation right, the next? I've seen Middle Kids act like that with Mike, Kobe, Durant, Kyrie,and Curry more than Bron. Crazy but it is what it is.

What I'll give Bron is this, and I told people this will happen soon like what your post showed. Bron will reach a level where people start to disrespect Mike. When I say disrespect, I mean downplay his accomplishments. They never really did this with Kobe, but it was getting there. Like the whole Rodman, MJ/Bron rest or no rest argument, you had guys like Cowturd saying Jordan quit the game twice because he was mentally gone, and because Jordan had so much pride, he had to rest for a year or two and fuel back up. Just some of the stupidest shyt I've seen in a while.

Maybe kids don't have that reverence for Bron because the largest sports network in the world dedicated their flagship program to shytting on him for the majority of his prime

Television is called "programming" for a reason. It literally tells you what to think.

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

MJ
Better shooter
More go to moves
Better defender
Doesn't choke in the clutch
Better post up moves
More heart & killer instinct
Etc

What actual skill does Lebron have besides being a top 3 goat physical athlete?
Can't shoot, not clutch, can't dribble, no post up moves, has no offensive weaponry

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Was more of a team effort to implement a zone. Just think about if zones were illegal. Bron might've averaged 40 in that series: pachaha:

We take that series in 5 or 6 at the most if zones aren't allowed and the mavericks have to guard bibby, Anthony, and a hobbled Udonis

 

[DonKnock]

Kobe, a pretty good analogue for Jordan on offense, was a better volume scorer in the same era as Lebron so its a huge reach

Also, Jordan didn't guard "offenses"....we aren't talking about team defense but individual on-ball defense which translates no matter the era.

It's not a reach actually NBA player themselves have come out and said that it was more difficult. These are primary sources, not speculation online.

Kobe's efficiency numbers pale in comparison to Jordan or Bron.

Kobe is the all time leader in missed shots by nearly 1000, he had to increase the volume substantially to be able to maintain the same output.
Kobe and Bron both came out of high school, so their playing field is even in terms of possible years. LeBron has a very large % chance at passing Kareem for most points all time. Why couldn't Kobe do this if his midrange style was so effective and he had the ball in his hands so frequently?


The second part proves my point. You can't say Jordan was definitively a better off ball defender(which you did) when he never had to defend against the kind of secondary and tertiary rotations that are used today.

Pick and roll play was much less advanced, more time throwing the ball in the paint and watching the C work. Not having to chase guys around multiple screens. All of this factors into modern defense, not just defending ISO situations.

 

[Poitier]

It's not a reach actually NBA player themselves have come out and said that it was more difficult. These are primary sources, not speculation online.

Kobe's efficiency numbers pale in comparison to Jordan or Bron.

Kobe is the all time leader in missed shots by nearly 1000, he had to increase the volume substantially to be able to maintain the same output.
Kobe and Bron both came out of high school, so their playing field is even in terms of possible years. LeBron has a very large % chance at passing Kareem for most points all time. Why couldn't Kobe do this if his midrange style was so effective and he had the ball in his hands so frequently?


The second part proves my point. You can't say Jordan was definitively a better off ball defender(which you did) when he never had to defend against the kind of secondary and tertiary rotations that are used today.

Pick and roll play was much less advanced, more time throwing the ball in the paint and watching the C work. Not having to chase guys around multiple screens. All of this factors into modern defense, not just defending ISO situations.

What does any of this have to do with anything?

You said Lebron would score more....that is an argument about volume, not efficiency. Efficient scorers don't necessarily have the shot creation, versatility or stamina to be elite volume scorers.

Lebron isn't even the best volume scorer of his era so your argument is nonsensical as fukk

And breh, its quite clear you don't know the difference between team defense, on-ball defense, and off-ball defense. The argument was about on-ball defense....stay on topic.

 

[hayesc0]

Jordon got to full out ISO all the time because of the old illegal defense rule. How many points you think LeBron would score if teams weren't able to triple team him in the paint...


With respect to defense too, the offenses that Jordan guarded against were much less complex than what LeBron has to go against, because you can't park 4 players above the 3 line for a clear out.

All this "Jordan would score more with this pwussy defense played today" is bullshyt. Go back and read some of those quotes after the rule change. ALL the stars were bytching about how much harder it was to score then.

Jordan was double and triple teamed all the time and caught fouls in his prime that would have gotten players suspended today every other night that fukk you talking about.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Maybe kids don't have that reverence for Bron because the largest sports network in the world dedicated their flagship program to shytting on him for the majority of his prime

Television is called "programming" for a reason. It literally tells you what to think.

The way they were trying to pressure him to join the bulls or Knicks and then turned on him when he signed with Miami validates this

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Jordan was double and triple teamed all the time and caught fouls in his prime that would have gotten players suspended today every other night that fukk you talking about.

You couldn't double anyone off the ball in his era and if you sent a triple team at someone who had the ball, you just made their job easy since now there's multiple guys wide open

 

[Sccit]

not really

LMAO PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THIS

 

[Sccit]

You couldn't double anyone off the ball in his era and if you sent a triple team at someone who had the ball, you just made their job easy since now there's multiple guys wide open

MJ WAS DEFENDED TEN TIMES HARDER THAN LEBRON .. KILL YASELF U GROUPIE FAGOT

 

[Sccit]

Absolutely nothing. Bron the GOAT

 

[DonKnock]

What does any of this have to do with anything?

You said Lebron would score more....that is an argument about volume, not efficiency. Efficient scorers don't necessarily have the shot creation, versatility or stamina to be elite volume scorers.

Lebron isn't even the best volume scorer of his era so your argument is nonsensical as fukk

LeBron would score more, AND be more efficient. LeBron is already scoring more and more efficiently than Kobe, who you used as a vessel to compare Jordan's style to the modern era.

You keep saying volume scorer, volume scorer, LeBron is on pace to have the most points all time, how could it be logically argued that his volume isn't high?

What your arguing then is that inefficient scoring > efficient scoring. If that's the position you want to take, be my guest.

And breh, its quite clear you don't know the difference between team defense, on-ball defense, and off-ball defense. The argument was about on-ball defense....stay on topic.

Stop lying..

Better off-ball defender

You brought up off-ball and didn't think anyone would challenge it.

 

[filial_piety]

This is like saying that Drake is a better rapper than Kendrick because he sells more records.

Or like saying em is better than drake because he raps better AND sells more records