What does Michael Jordan do better than LeBron besides score?

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scoring is not the main objective in basketball.

hypothetically speaking a guy that can score 25 and dish out 10 assists is responsible for more points than the guy that scores 30 and only dishes out 3.

plus offense and scoring is only half the game. the other half relies on defense and preventing the other team from scoring. the guy that held the 30ppg scorer to just 20 points is equally as valuable to his team as the guy that scored the most points.

lebron is a better and more willing passer than jordan and he gets his teammates more involved on offense, that's hard to dispute. the question is does that really make him 'better' overall. I'd say not really. truth be told jordan didn't need to get his guys as involved because he was such a wrecking machine on his own. and as a result of this lebron isn't nearly as effective in the clutch because he's that much easier to contain.

at the end of the day the main objective is WINNING and lebron has yet to prove he's jordans equal in that regard. if you give both guys the exact same supporting cast i think the team with Jordan at the helm wins.
Agreed with the bold...

It's all speculation, but I honestly don't see Lebron doing what Jordan did in the same exact era if we could switch the teams...and I see Jordan being far more successful than Lebron with the same team against the same opponents over the last 13 seasons.

I just don't see Lebron in the 90s winning 2 3-peats with the same exact team.
 

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Agreed with the bold...

It's all speculation, but I honestly don't see Lebron doing what Jordan did in the same exact era if we could switch the teams...and I see Jordan being far more successful than Lebron with the same team against the same opponents over the last 13 seasons.

I just don't see Lebron in the 90s winning 2 3-peats with the same exact team.
Who exactly do you see beating those bulls if you swap LeBron in :jbhmm:?
 

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The Blazers, Phoenix, The Sonics and the Jazz

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That blazers team couldn't hold a 15 point 4th quarter lead in game 6 while Michael was on the bench. The suns couldn't even win a single home game in the finals. Who on the Sonics would be checking James? Payton is 4 inches shorter and played anywhere from 70-90 pounds smaller than LeBron. The jazz averaged 87 points as a team in 1997 and 80 points as a team in 1998. They reached 90 points in just one game total over the course of both finals series. That's 11 times in 12 games that they were held under 90. That's Knicks or pacers levels of struggle ball.
 

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That blazers team couldn't hold a 15 point 4th quarter lead in game 6 while Michael was on the bench. The suns couldn't even win a single home game in the finals. Who on the Sonics would be checking James? Payton is 4 inches shorter and played anywhere from 70-90 pounds smaller than LeBron. The jazz averaged 87 points as a team in 1997 and 80 points as a team in 1998. They reached 90 points in just one game total over the course of both finals series. That's 11 times in 12 games that they were held under 90. That's Knicks or pacers levels of struggle ball.
Don't care about your gifs...:yeshrug:

It's ok to cherry pic and over analyze on your speculation of what variables would prove your case...but in all practicality, I don't see Lebron doing 2-3peats with him and Scottie if he couldn't do it with Him, Bosh and Wade :manny:

You're free to think otherwise...I won't hold it against you.

Peace.
 

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That blazers team couldn't hold a 15 point 4th quarter lead in game 6 while Michael was on the bench. The suns couldn't even win a single home game in the finals. Who on the Sonics would be checking James? Payton is 4 inches shorter and played anywhere from 70-90 pounds smaller than LeBron. The jazz averaged 87 points as a team in 1997 and 80 points as a team in 1998. They reached 90 points in just one game total over the course of both finals series. That's 11 times in 12 games that they were held under 90. That's Knicks or pacers levels of struggle ball.


The 1998 Spurs, with a Tim Duncan who had four years of college under his belt, along with David Robinson, lost both times they played Jordan's Bulls in 1998. Those same Spurs won 56 games that year.

Tim Duncan and David Robinson represented 14 feet in height and 500lbs in weight. Since you caught up in size and weight. Jordan's Bulls would have adapted to any era.
 

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dumb thread, if you watched jordan play you would know the answer

lebron got humbled by a plethora of B list nikkas Deshawn Stevenson, Shawn Marion ... he couldnt even post JKidd up :russ:

old kobe sonned lebron one on one multiple times
but prime kobe couldnt even fukk with old jordan :russ:


jordan should have been dead with some of the shyt he was doing out there ... no sleep, barking on and punching teammates... gambling on everything while he was smoking cigars before and after games. Jordan would treat Lebron like a son ... the poster would have been ridiculous
 

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The 1998 Spurs, with a Tim Duncan who had four years of college under his belt, along with David Robinson, lost both times they played Jordan's Bulls in 1998. Those same Spurs won 56 games that year.

Tim Duncan and David Robinson represented 14 feet in height and 500lbs in weight. Since you caught up in size and weight. Jordan's Bulls would have adapted to any era.


Duncan and Robinson's weight isn't relevant because they weren't matching up with Mike. Payton being 180 matters in the discussion because he was the guy assigned to Jordan the last 3 games of the finals. You can't ask a guy who's 6'4 and weighs 180 to check a guy who's 6'8 and plays between 250-270, and since the bulls never met the spurs never in a best of seven series, the result of two random games over the course of an 82 game season don't mean much. As for adapting for any era, it's a safe assumption that they'd have contended for titles in the 70's and 80's, but we don't know how a team that didn't shoot the 3 would fare in today's NBA where it's a prerequisite. Here's their attempts per game and percentage from distance during each championship year. An asterisk denotes the three point line being shorter that season.

1990-91: 36.6% while taking 5.2 attempts per game as a team. 3 players averaged over 1 attempt per game and the leader in attempts was taking 1.6 per game.

1991-92: 30.4% while taking 5.5 attempts per game. 3 players averaged over 1 attempt per game and the team leader took 1.7 per game.

1992-93: 36.5% at 8.2 attempts per game. 4 players averaged over 1 attempt per game, with 1 attempting 1.9 shots and another attempting 2.9 shots from deep per game.


1995-96*: 40.3% shooting at 16.5 attempts. 4 players on the team were taking 2.7 shots or more per game with the team leader attempting 5.2. Second on the team was 3.2.


1996-97*: 37.3% on 17.1 attempts per game. Five players averaged 2.5 attempts or more and 2 averaged above 3 attempts.


1997-98: 32.3% on 11.2 attempts per game. Five players averaged 1.5 attempts per game. The team leader in attempts took 4.4 per game while shooting 31.8% from distance.


Judging by these numbers, we have no idea how the bulls would play in the post zone NBA. We don't know if they would dominate the same way, because their entire offensive sets would need to change to keep pace with the evolutionary changes the rest of the league has undergone. All we really know is that they'd have to drastically alter their offensive sets or they would face a lot of zone defenses and a clogged interior. The bulls made 5, 25, and 32 threes in the 1991-93 finals. They made 36, 39, and 26 of them in the 1996-98 finals. 1991 went five games and the other 5 finals went 6 games. For comparison, the heat made 42 of them in the 2012 finals (5 games), and 64 of them in 2013 (7 games). In 2014, the spurs made 55 of them (5 games). The warriors hit 67 of them in 2015 (6 games). The cavaliers hit 56 of them last year (7 games).
 
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Duncan and Robinson's weight isn't relevant because they weren't matching up with Mike. Payton being 180 matters in the discussion because he was the guy assigned to Jordan the last 3 games of the finals. You can't ask a guy who's 6'4 and weighs 180 to check a guy who's 6'8 and plays between 250-270, and since the bulls never met the spurs never in a best of seven series, the result of two random games over the course of an 82 game season don't mean much. As for adapting for any era, it's a safe assumption that they'd have contended for titles in the 70's and 80's, but we don't know how a team that didn't shoot the 3 would fare in today's NBA where it's a prerequisite. Here's their attempts per game and percentage from distance during each championship year. An asterisk denotes the three point line being shorter that season.

1990-91: 36.6% while taking 5.2 attempts per game as a team. 3 players averaged over 1 attempt per game and the leader in attempts was taking 1.6 per game.

1991-92: 30.4% while taking 5.5 attempts per game. 3 players averaged over 1 attempt per game and the team leader took 1.7 per game.

1992-93: 36.5% at 8.2 attempts per game. 4 players averaged over 1 attempt per game, with 1 attempting 1.9 shots and another attempting 2.9 shots from deep per game.


1995-96*: 40.3% shooting at 16.5 attempts. 4 players on the team were taking 2.7 shots or more per game with the team leader attempting 5.2. Second on the team was 3.2.


1996-97*: 37.3% on 17.1 attempts per game. Five players averaged 2.5 attempts or more and 2 averaged above 3 attempts.


1997-98: 32.3% on 11.2 attempts per game. Five players averaged 1.5 attempts per game. The team leader in attempts took 4.4 per game while shooting 31.8% from distance.


Judging by these numbers, we have no idea how the bulls would play in the post zone NBA. We don't know if they would dominate the same way, because their entire offensive sets would need to change to keep pace with the evolutionary changes the rest of the league has undergone. All we really know is that they'd have to drastically alter their offensive sets or they would face a lot of zone defenses and a clogged interior. The bulls made 21, 25, and 32 threes in the 1991-93 finals. They made 36, 39, and 26 of them in the 1996-98 finals. 1991 went five games and the other 5 finals went 6 games. For comparison, the heat made 42 of them in the 2012 finals (5 games), and 64 of them in 2013 (7 games). In 2014, the spurs made 55 of them (5 games). The warriors hit 67 of them in 2015 (6 games). The cavaliers hit 56 of them last year (7 games).


I'll post this again for emphasis, Jordan shyts on players of every single size here...two, sometimes three, sometimes four players at the same damn time:




I'll also post this:



Also, for added context, this is when people were saying Jordan wasn't able to hit a long distance shot. He not only shot the ball long distance, he shot it extremely well. And although it was one game, it was the most pressure intense game at the highest level of play. Game 1 of an NBA Final, the biggest stage. Unlike Curry who shoots the three like a maniac all year long but shrinks under the game's brightest lights.

It's safe to assume Jordan wasn't practicing the 3-ball heavily because by your own admission, the game at that time wasn't focused on the 3-ball.

If you feel Jordan wasn't capable of adapting, a man who won three championships in a row as a slasher, then adapted to the rigors of aging by winning another 3 championships in a row as a perimeter, post-playin jump shooter...then I don't know what to tell you.



EDIT: Jordan dominated at the college level, he learned the fundamentals that contributed to his greatness, playing against zones. Also, who was guarding LeBron when he shrank against Dallas?
 

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I'll post this again for emphasis, Jordan shyts on players of every single size here...two, sometimes three, sometimes four players at the same damn time:




I'll also post this:



Also, for added context, this is when people were saying Jordan wasn't able to hit a long distance shot. He not only shot the ball long distance, he shot it extremely well. And although it was one game, it was the most pressure intense game at the highest level of play. Game 1 of an NBA Final, the biggest stage. Unlike Curry who shoots the three like a maniac all year long but shrinks under the game's brightest lights.

It's safe to assume Jordan wasn't practicing the 3-ball heavily because by your own admission, the game at that time wasn't focused on the 3-ball.

If you feel Jordan wasn't capable of adapting, a man who won three championships in a row as a slasher, then adapted to the rigors of aging by winning another 3 championships in a row as a perimeter, post-playin jump shooter...then I don't know what to tell you.



EDIT: Jordan dominated at the college level, he learned the fundamentals that contributed to his greatness, playing against zones. Also, who was guarding LeBron when he shrank against Dallas?


If lebron can shoot 32% from 3 in the playoffs I'm sure MJ can......oh wait he shot 33% without even working on it:mjlol:
 

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yall can't be in here arguing with cats that were 3 years old when Mike was winning his titles man. all they have are box scores, they don't know shyt about basketball.

They don't know. Hell in 88 MJ was the scoring champ, dpoy, and MVP, only one ever. Oh and he dropped 40 in the all star game and was the dunk champ too:mjlol:

The perfect basketball player.
 
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