What Do Yall Think About The Story Of Job In The Bible

[TezMilli]

My interpretation of the book is to show that through Job's relationship, he had great faith and trust in God. If he had put his faith belief in his family and worldly possessions and the other things he lost, then he would have committed suicide......dude wouldve been hopeless.

But since that wasnt the case and the fact that the being who blessed him with those things, still remained, he had nothing to fear. He was good and thats why he survived every crisis he faced.

 

[TezMilli]

I'm not interested in worshipping a god that would kill my family just to prove a point to the devil. That's a bytch move, to say the least.

I hear what you saying but the whole point of the old testament was that God wanted his people to trust him and they failed miserably because they put family and things over him and he hated that. Like cmon, if you believe this being created you and wants the best for you, why wouldnt you trust him.

Another example of this is the story of Adam and Eve. If Adam had trusted God to fix the situation and remained true, he wouldve gave Adam another woman, even better than Eve but Adam put Eve before God, the one who gave her to him in the first place....thats why God>Family>yourself

 

[Gallo]

Except God never killed Jobs family because Jobs never existed. Jobs is a metaphor for you me and everyone. It's an old jewish fable, an allegory. Its not real brehs. Analyzing the book of jobs is the equivalent of analyzing Oedipus The King. Why can't y'all get this through your thick skulls?

 

[Pool_Shark]

A little off topic but I always thought the book would make a great comedy. Like the part where the messengers come running one after the other to tell him he lost his family and lands. Job probably had the face the whole time.

It's also funny how at the end he gives him 10 kids. He just went through an experience that will scar him for the rest of his life and will leave him mentally disturbed and now he is responsible for 10 children. Sounds like a sitcom.

Read this on slate and that it was funny.

I confess that I'm flummoxed by Job. Should we believe Chapters 38 through 41, when God tells us we're nothing, and that we have no right to question Him? Or should we believe Chapter 42, when God acknowledges that Job was right and settles the lawsuit? The God of Chapters 38 through 41 is petulant, arrogant, and wrong. The God of Chapter 42 is willing to correct His mistake. Also the God of Chapter 42 admits that the three friends are wrong. By punishing them, He seems to be conceding that, in fact, the wicked aren't always punished and the good aren't always rewarded. But isn't such a concession impossible for God? If He disavows their arguments, isn't He saying He's impotent? That he doesn't actually reward the righteous and upbraid the wicked?

The Book of Job's Enthralling, Baffling Conclusion - Slate Magazine

I interpret the book as taking life as it comes. When bad shyt happens to you just give it the nothing you can do about it. You can't control everything in life and a day might come where you lose everything in one stroke. On a day like that it's important not to self-loathe and get caught up in a deep depression. Better to just live and roll with the punches, cause no amount of tears or temper-tantrums will give us full control of everything in the universe.

 

[Brown_Pride]

What? That wasnt the point of the story. Job didnt find enlightenment, he was relatively the same person before and after God sonned him. In fact, after the sonning, Job learned to stop questioning God's motivates. How is embracing ignorance/blind faith "enlightenment" as we define it?

Is there another kind of faith?
quick recap:

Story of job really isn't that difficult to get

Job loves/ believes has faith in god, dude is THE most righteous man in the world.

Devil tells god that job loves him because his life is gravy and that if job was to suffer then he wouldn't love god.

God says nah. Devils say no really. God says go ahead then YOU test him, just don't hurt him.

Job comes out clean, devils says that's because he's selfish but if you affect him he will buckle. God says go for it. Job comes out clean but thoroughly screwed over.

Job then questions god on the whys and such. "I have prepared my case, I know I will be vindicated" (Job 13:18)

God says, "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?" (Job 38:2) and "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?" (Job 40:2). and instead of job asking questions GOD flips the scrip to teach Job something.
"I will question you, and you shall answer me," he tells Job twice (Job 38:3; 40:7)

God then shows Job many natural wonders he does this basically to put JOb in his place. More or less saying that until you can understand how these things works how are you going to question how I run the moral universe. You're an ant.

Job realizes that God knows wtf he's doing and to question it is silly, if you believe in God then all works out for his will.

End of summary.

NOw there are a couple cool things a Christian learns from this story.
A. Why we suffer. Part of Gods plan. Essential a "good" christian is a tool for god to use, a chisel might not appreciate the fact that it is being used and dulled but its use is in the sculpting of something great. (on a side note: To me being used to teach people, be it through good or bad trials, is a personal honor to me...and trust when I say there are many a bad trials in my life.)

B. We can express our fears, frustrations, anger and even call out god in our ignorance without fear of being condemned. Turns out God can take it.

c. We learn that suffering isn't because of sin.
d. we learn that God, regardless of our circumstance is ALWAYS worth of our love and devotion.

Now for a "HL" conversion and to address some of the points I know are coming...
1. His fam dies. This is true and while it might look to be sad to some, there is life in death. Evil men fear death, a christian should not, that shyts a one way ticket to partyville.

2. God is petty. No not at all. God is god. His will is the end all of what is good, we know this because it's God.

3. That's a circular reference. Of course it is. This is religion and God we're talking about. When you decide to pick up your cross as it were you take that LEAP of faith. There is no proof, there is just faith. I cannot prove to a single person here that GOd is real, that's not possible, in fact the requirement of faith is pretty paramount to the whole deal. Arguing with someone about taking that leap is like arguing in a different language, you will not get it and I cannot explain it much more beyond that.

final thought.
The trials and tribulations of Job have helped MILLIONS of people through some very tough times, at what point is the pain of one man sufficient for the relief and teaching of millions if not billions. Like I said about my personal note, if I were job up in heaven i'd be happy knowing my life was able to affect so many lives, i'd be honored that God chose me for something so important.
God plan is a trip sometimes, but one worth taking.

 

[NoMayo15]

Except God never killed Jobs family because Jobs never existed. Jobs is a metaphor for you me and everyone. It's an old jewish fable, an allegory. Its not real brehs. Analyzing the book jobs is the equivalent of analyzing Oedipus The King. Why can't y'all get this through your thick skulls?

Don't get me wrong, I understand the book is bullshyt. But there are people who actually believe the Bible is historically true, and literally happened. Don't get it confused.

 

[TezMilli]

Don't get me wrong, I understand the book is bullshyt. But there are people who actually believe the Bible is historically true, and literally happened. Don't get it confused.

Thats a debate that will go back and forth for years as it has for centuries. And for the cat that compared the book to Oedipus The King, I never heard of anyone dying from persecution and the other atrocities like those associated with the Bible, so I think its unfair to compare it to any book.

Let me end my comments like this...the Bible is faith-based but it doesnt mean the stories in it didnt really happen. Hebrews 11:1 -3 says: "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out what was visible."

That said, if you aint got faith in the Bible or God, your wasting your time talking or debating back and forth about whether the stories are real or not and whether or not God exists or is a figment of one's imagination.

 

[Gallo]

Thats a debate that will go back and forth for years as it has for centuries. And for the cat that compared the book to Oedipus The King, I never heard of anyone dying from persecution and the other atrocities like those associated with the Bible, so I think its unfair to compare it to any book.

Let me end my comments like this...the Bible is faith-based but it doesnt mean the stories in it didnt really happen. Hebrews 11:1 -3 says: "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out what was visible."

That said, if you aint got faith in the Bible or God, your wasting your time talking or debating back and forth about whether the stories are real or not and whether or not God exists or is a figment of one's imagination.

You mean the Talmud, not the bible - the Talmud is where the story is found originally. Many of the subjects tackled in the Talmud are not unique. The Sumerian and Egyptians tackled the major themes in the book of job centuries before, even writing very similar stories.

And the reason why these debates endure is the same reason debates on Oedipus The King and Shakespeare endure - they're rich stories that speak to the human condition. The only difference is that only Christians claim the book of job is historical non-fiction. Not even Jewish people do and they wrote it! I understand your reasoning however. You have a lot invested in these stories being non-fiction. I won't deny you the blue pill.

 

[NoMayo15]

Thats a debate that will go back and forth for years as it has for centuries. And for the cat that compared the book to Oedipus The King, I never heard of anyone dying from persecution and the other atrocities like those associated with the Bible, so I think its unfair to compare it to any book.

Let me end my comments like this...the Bible is faith-based but it doesnt mean the stories in it didnt really happen. Hebrews 11:1 -3 says: "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out what was visible."

That said, if you aint got faith in the Bible or God, your wasting your time talking or debating back and forth about whether the stories are real or not and whether or not God exists or is a figment of one's imagination.

What? If everyone had faith in the Bible, then there would be no debate of whether the stories were true, or if God existed. There would be no other religions. The only thing we can determine by the fact that the Bible is "faith-based" is there is not strong evidence that the Bible is true. Not saying it's necessarily false, just there is no reason to accept it as true .... other than your faith. :wompwomp:

 

[Dave24]

It was actually a symbolical initiation ceremony..

@Rivoli what do you mean? Please elaborate.

 

[frankster]

God and Satan represent Forces in or of Nature.
We humans anthropomorphize these Force and place Morality on our interpretation of their perceived actions.
Good is of God and Evil is of The Devil/Satan/Lucifer
Morality is strictly a human Invention.....Natural Forces have no Morals or Ethics.
Environments, Situations and Events in and of themselves are Amoral...except thinking places a Human Value of Good or Bad.

The Idea in Job story is that Faith can overcome Fate

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

theres not much separating a religious man from a psychopath.

This is suppose to be higher learning.

Take your immature shyt somewhere else

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

It's why people of all cultures and religions give humanistic qualities (jealousy, ego, suffering, father, mother, child etc) to their deities, because that's what we can relate

But we're made in GOD image.