What Danny Ainge did to IT finally came back to haunt him

[SchoolboyC]

That’s fair but IT, and players, see it as the Celtics organization doing that. It looks bad and I get it.

Thing is, I don't see how Ainge handled this situation wrong given the circumstances. The medical stuff screwed up significantly, so he got rid of all of them. He didn't want to pay IT what he wanted and a better player became available so he splashed and made a trade that made his team better in the short and long run.

The crux of this issue is emotions vs. logic.

 

[T'Challa Trillmonger]

So what?

Were the Celtics supposed to be at the mercy of IT until the end of time? They weren't allowed to let him go until he said it was ok? When was the statute of limitations gonna be up for when the Celtics were gonna be allowed to do what was best for them?

nah breh, they can (and did) what they wanted in their best interest, which is fine

but they can't be like "why are certain players viewing this situation like this" ... thats all i am saying, its human nature, and even if other GMs would have and prolly would do the same thing, it just so happens the situation for most to reference is IT/Celtics

and yes it is emotion vs logic, but on a macro level, players almost have to give up logic to an extent. because objectively the most logical thing for a NBA player to do is play low risk, preserve their health while trying to get paid the most possible. that would be bad for the sport and fans/consumers as well as the teams, so teams try to get players to emotionally buy into the whole "we are a family ride or die" shyt until a business decision is made.

so with that context being said all i was saying is i get why players view it that way. i'm not necessarily saying its right or wrong or that your point is not valid. it just is what it is lol

 

[calh45]

That was a different team. Bradley, Crowder, Amir Johnson, Olynyk, Jerebko were role players and accepted that.

Brown & Rozier at that time were inconsequential role players, not guys who helped carry a team on an ECF run. Tatum, Morris & Hayward weren’t there.

Also, the expectations were a lot lower for that team. They basically played with house money through the entire IT run, that is not the case with this team.

The whole reason they gave up IT was for Kyrie. We saw a team last year without Kyrie AND Hayward who almost made the finals. His point was that "we" investigated how it would look with IT and inferred that it would be terrible, but we saw the Celts were capable of.

Judging by how IT led vs how Kyries currently leads now I don't think it's a stretch to say all of this bullshyt happening on the team, including his dramatic ass answer involving him going to the Knicks, wouldn't exist with IT there.....and without their two "BIG" additions they made the EFC...so trading for Kyrie is looking like the worst decision they could've made, not just team chemistry/play wise, but it definitely cost them a chance at AD, and Kyrie might leave after 2 years and not even playing a full season's worth of games and no championships

 

[tremonthustler1]

Man what kind of shyt is this? First, when did the Lakers try to trade Bean other than at his request? Second, so are you going to bring up every trade for every team? Because there’s a “loyalty issue” with every trade if that’s the case. Every situation isn’t the same. Thomas ruined his hip to do everything for the team and they traded him a couple of months later.

Im not preaching the loyalty angle though. If the idea is for every team to be loyal to everyone, trades would never occur.


IT had a warped view of where he stood on that team going forward. He was expecting a contract he was never gonna get from them, healthy or not.

 

[Bilz]

Man what kind of shyt is this? First, when did the Lakers try to trade Bean other than at his request? Second, so are you going to bring up every trade for every team? Because there’s a “loyalty issue” with every trade if that’s the case. Every situation isn’t the same. Thomas ruined his hip to do everything for the team and they traded him a couple of months later.

Isaiah Thomas was injured playing basketball, not doing adopt a highway shyt for the Boston Celtics. Do you think they should have given him a max contract to thank him for his efforts? What the fukk is wrong with you?

 

[SchoolboyC]

The whole reason they gave up IT was for Kyrie. We saw a team last year without Kyrie AND Hayward who almost made the finals. His point was that "we" investigated how it would look with IT and inferred that it would be terrible, but we saw the Celts were capable of.

Judging by how IT led vs how Kyries currently leads now I don't think it's a stretch to say all of this bullshyt happening on the team, including his dramatic ass answer involving him going to the Knicks, wouldn't exist with IT there.....and without their two "BIG" additions they made the EFC...so trading for Kyrie is looking like the worst decision they could've made, not just team chemistry/play wise, but it definitely cost them a chance at AD, and Kyrie might leave after 2 years and not even playing a full season's worth of games and no championships

IT talked constantly in the media about his free agency just like Kyrie. Where do you think that Brinks truck shyt came from The difference is he didn't have the media meddling trying to push him to bigger markets.

IT would criticize the team in the media just like Kyrie does. The difference is that the Celtics didn't get anywhere near the amount of media attention they do, so there was not a microscope like there is now. When IT went in a postgame interview shytting on Stevens for his rotations, there wasn't a segment on Undisputed or First Take the next day debating it for 30 minutes.

The same way you had a segment of people saying that Celtics play better without Kyrie because they don't have anyone dominating the ball and there's more ball movement, is the exact shyt some Celtic fans, including some of the media members, would say about IT.

Again, y'all think Kyrie is doing something IT would never dream of doing because y'all were not following that team. Point blank period.

Also, you cannot discount the difference in expectations that the Celtics have with Kyrie, that they never had with IT. The Celtics are the 4 seed and people are shytting on them for underachieving. The Celtics got the 1 seed with IT and people shytted on them and treated them like a joke. Including people on this very site. The Celtics have championship or bust expectations, not just in the organization, but on a national level, while with IT they played with house money. It's dishonest to act like that's irrelevant.

 

[cartierhoe]

IT shouldn't have played, he still woulda been traded but atleast he'd be healthy

 

[FromStLouis]

Then of course there was that whole bit of drama around not giving IT a tribute video - a question of if he even deserved one.

Bad optics all around. Players saw it all.

 

[jwinfield]

Then of course there was that whole bit of drama around not giving IT a tribute video - a question of if he even deserved one.

Bad optics all around. Players saw it all.

If I remember correctly, he asked them not to do one the first game because he wasn't gonna play or his family wasn't gonna be there.

The controversy was because the next game was the same night they were going to retire Paul Pierce's jersey

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

If its about loyalty why dont AD stay in NO

Actually him giving New Orleans a heads up a year and a half ahead of time is as loyal as it gets, to me

He could've pulled a LeBron or KD and just left them with nothing.

This way, they'll get all-stars (or future all-stars) and or lotttery picks.

The owners don't even give a damn about the team, because they care about the Saints more

He's putting up numbers and the team isn't winning and he has more than enough talent to have this team over .500. Call it what you want, why is his team under .500? LeBron can take a team with scrubs and make the playoffs every year.

Harden has the Rockets way over .500 with dudes that are D-level talents. What's AD's excuse?

Simple, it's a guard's league now.

Harden & LeBron are ball dominant players, therefore can control the whole game.

AD's a evolved version of the classic big man that needs someone else to initiate the offense.

And they responded by firing the entire medical staff and they did that when IT was very much still on the team. That mistake was acknowledged.

That's not enough when you cost a man $100 million

 

[itsyoung!!]

Has any Celtics player since IT averaged 29 PPG or even close to it

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

They did need him. People were calling brown a bust and Tatum hadn’t even suited so. They were kissing a good wing player.

With his injury came the rise of brown and Tatum

brown wasn't a bust but I understand they were building towards a title and not-too-far into the future.

tatum was a sure-fire pick.

Revisionist history. Hayward would have got that contract from ANY team

he was top 10 at his position. nothing more.

don't fall for the media hype, like he was some game-changing player.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Trading IT for Kyrie is a no brainer. F*ck IT feelings.

and what have they done with kyrie besides fall to 5th place??

 

[intruder]

Celtics still got 4 1st round picks in 2019 which includes Memphis's Philadelphia's, the Clippers's and their own.
I hope all them f@ggots are busts if they keep the picks but what are the odds?

 

[THE MACHINE]

Has any Celtics player since IT averaged 29 PPG or even close to it

IT has the highest PPG average in Celtic history

Rank Player Games Points PPG*
1 Isaiah Thomas 179 4,422 24.7
2 Larry Bird 897 21,791 24.29
3 Paul Pierce 1,102 24,021 21.8
4 John Havlicek 1,270 26,395 20.78
5 Antoine Walker 552 11,386 20.63
6 Ed Macauley 416 7,882 18.95
7 Tom Heinsohn 654 12,194 18.65
8 Bob Cousy 917 16,955 18.49
9 JoJo White 717 13,188 18.39
10 Dave Cowens 726 13,192 18.17