What culture/country in the diaspora has the most African cultural retention?

[Apollo Creed]

East Texas BBQ = GOAT style of BBQ, just for the diversity alone.

It’s irritating as hell how much Central Texas BBQ gets the spotlight...but we all know why that is.

I still aint had real TX bbq yet.

 

[Supper]

East Texas BBQ = GOAT style of BBQ, just for the diversity alone.

It’s irritating as hell how much Central Texas BBQ gets the spotlight...but we all know why that is.

Them white/central TX/austin style bbq joints be jockin our recipes by lathering their shyt with bbq sauce, using chopped poke(pork) ribs, and adding all them sides, with the sliced bread. smh

Not only did East TX style come first but Central TX style itself also has a lot of AA influence.
http://austin.blog.statesman.com/20...arbecue-forgotten-its-african-american-roots/

It was mostly black cowboys working on them chuckwagons in TX back in the day. In fact, that's what black cowboys were known for doing.

 

[im_sleep]

I still aint had real TX bbq yet.

Your in ATL right?

Check this spot out, I’m pretty sure the folks who run it are out of Beaumont or Port Arthur.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Your in ATL right?

Check this spot out, I’m pretty sure the folks who run it are out of Beaumont or Port Arthur.

Bet

 

[dj-method-x]

Black cubans

I was really surprised by this when I visited. Saw a lot of traditional African dress and whatnot when I was over there. I was walking by an apartment with a black family having a party in Havana that was jamming out to some African music. Cuba is an interesting place. Can't wait to go back.

 

[get these nets]

You mention 1808, but slavery didn't end in the USA until 1865 so of course most people stayed in place in the regions that they were in unless they were sold into different regions. Both sides of my family are primarily from Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina. My mother's family moved from a coastal area near the North Carolina/South Carolina border into Tennessee. Some were taken to Tennessee as slaves, while others moved to Tennessee as free people after the Civil War ended.

Period of the domestic slave trade in America is the era that I'm least familiar with. That doesn't mean that I haven't studied it though. I loan and give my books away, so I can't go back to them when threads like this come up.

The chart put up by im_sleep seems to ring true about the expansion of the plantation economy further south and west. My original question still stands. The isolation of the Sea Islands make that region a culture unto themselves to a great extent, both pre and post ending of the transatlantic slave trade. Similar in culture to coastal areas on the mainland probably, but with the type of differences that physical isolation would produce. How accurate is is to say that Gullah culture spread down the river? Coastal Carolina AA regional culture surely spread, but I am saying that there would have been distinctions between Coastal Car. culture and Sea Island culture(s)

 

[Samori Toure]

Period of the domestic slave trade in America is the era that I'm least familiar with. That doesn't mean that I haven't studied it though. I loan and give my books away, so I can't go back to them when threads like this come up.

The chart put up by im_sleep seems to ring true about the expansion of the plantation economy further south and west. My original question still stands. The isolation of the Sea Islands make that region a culture unto themselves to a great extent, both pre and post ending of the transatlantic slave trade. Similar in culture to coastal areas on the mainland probably, but with the type of differences that physical isolation would produce. How accurate is is to say that Gullah culture spread down the river? Coastal Carolina AA regional culture surely spread, but I am saying that there would have been distinctions between Coastal Car. culture and Sea Island culture(s)

The chart rings true, because the movement of people (White and Black) occurred as more people spread further South and West after the Louisiana Purchase occurred in 1803 and Texas gained it's independence from Mexico in 1836 and eventually joined the USA in 1845. When those regions opened up then people moved into them taking their culture with them, which is why there is Blues in the Carolinas, Tennessee, Georgia and the deep South (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi). American history and African American history are intertwined and the Gullah people moved inland just like everybody else.

 

[Supper]

The chart rings true, because the movement of people (White and Black) occurred as more people spread further South and West after the Louisiana Purchase occurred in 1803 and Texas gained it's independence from Mexico in 1836 and eventually joined the USA in 1845. When those regions opened up then people moved into them taking their culture with them, which is why there is Blues in the Carolinas, Tennessee, Georgia and the deep South (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi). American history and African American history are intertwined and the Gullah people moved inland just like everybody else.

Yep.

And gospel/negro spirituals, field hollering, work songs, okra soup(gumbo), southern bbq, and a whole host of other ubiquitous AA soul food cuisines and other cultural elements.

You can't truly understand AA culture & history without a thorough understanding of the domestic slave trade(the greatest movement of slaves to ever occur in the US) and great migration(s).

 

[How Sway?]

Arará is a minority group in Cuba (especially in the provinces of La Habana and Matanzas) who descend from Fon, Ewe, Popo, Mahi, and other ethnic groups in Dahomey. Arará may also refer to the music, dance, and religion of this group of people.

Arará - Wikipedia

Arara dance- cuba


Agbadza -fon/ewe

 

[get these nets]

Wrong for the most part. Even during British colonial era the vast majority(%80) of the slaves imported to the North American colonies came directly from Africa. The other 20 percent mostly came from seasoning camps in the Caribbean after spending a few months there being prepped to be sold off to other colonies. In colonial French Louisiana the number was even less as there was a legal ban on slaves coming in from the French west indies.

Liberty, Equality, Power: A History of the American People, Volume 1: To 1877

This is a nitpicking post which avoids the overall points and questions I raised.

I say that because the very last debate we were involved in, you did the same thing.
I believe I was debating you, Illmatic Delta, and the guy who is currently under fire for past self hating comments. In that thread, at some point I played an audio clip of an iconic musician making a comment (which supported my overall point). I was met with juelzing telling me that " he didn't mean what he said" , personal attacks against me, filibustering,etc.etc for several pages.
When I later posted the pages & quotes from that musician's biography confirming that he said exactly what he meant, neither of you guys conceded the point. In fact, in your response to the receipt post of mine, you highlighted a sentence that was unrelated to the overall point and avoided admitting that you were wrong.
I brought this up to Ill directly, so bringing it up to you also.
Call somebody out about something, man up when they prove their case.

Speaking of which, your point about the slave trade is correct, but it's a straw man to an extent. Unless you think that you are really explaining to me for the first time that the majority of the Africans in the mainland British colonies were brought here directly from slavers trading from West Africa .
Your reply was a reach.and I ask you to give me the benefit of the doubt if I write something in haste.

under spoiler is a book that I previewed and will probably buy in the future

Spoiler

full excerpt of Chapter 5 The North American Periphery of the Caribbean Slave Trade circa 1700-1763




podcast interview with the author begins at 2:00 mark

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[im_sleep]

Period of the domestic slave trade in America is the era that I'm least familiar with. That doesn't mean that I haven't studied it though. I loan and give my books away, so I can't go back to them when threads like this come up.

The chart put up by im_sleep seems to ring true about the expansion of the plantation economy further south and west. My original question still stands. The isolation of the Sea Islands make that region a culture unto themselves to a great extent, both pre and post ending of the transatlantic slave trade. Similar in culture to coastal areas on the mainland probably, but with the type of differences that physical isolation would produce. How accurate is is to say that Gullah culture spread down the river? Coastal Carolina AA regional culture surely spread, but I am saying that there would have been distinctions between Coastal Car. culture and Sea Island culture(s)

Are you suggesting that Coastal Carolina culture is what contributed to the domestic slave trade but not so much Sea Island culture?

I’ve heard of there being minor distinctions made between mainland folks and sea island folks but not enough to fully separate the two like that. I’ve always known it to be under one umbrella with some variation, but no different than distinctions you could make between rural and urban populations in the South. Matter of fact, I gotta look back at some some notes so don’t quote me on it but I’m pretty sure the kind of absentee slave ownership that allowed the culture to develop the way it did in the sea islands were also present in the mainland rice plantations as well.

Just trying to clarify because I don’t normally see that kind of distinguishment between the two.

 

[Samori Toure]

Are you suggesting that Coastal Carolina culture is what contributed to the domestic slave trade but not so much Sea Island culture?

I’ve heard of there being minor distinctions made between mainland folks and sea island folks but not enough to fully separate the two like that. I’ve always known it to be under one umbrella with some variation, but no different than distinctions you could make between rural and urban populations in the South. Matter of fact, I gotta look back at some some notes so don’t quote me on it but I’m pretty sure the kind of absentee slave ownership that allowed the culture to develop the way it did in the sea islands were also present in the mainland rice plantations as well.

Just trying to clarify because I don’t normally see that kind of distinguishment between the two.

If he is trying to distinguish that then how could he explain the Gullah people that lived in North Carolina and Georgia? There was literally no distinction, which is why the Gullah corridor runs from North Carolina to Northern Florida; and corridor goes inland for many miles:

 

[get these nets]

Are you suggesting that Coastal Carolina culture is what contributed to the domestic slave trade but not so much Sea Island culture?

I’ve heard of there being minor distinctions made between mainland folks and sea island folks but not enough to fully separate the two like that. I’ve always known it to be under one umbrella with some variation, but no different than distinctions you could make between rural and urban populations in the South. Matter of fact, I gotta look back at some some notes so don’t quote me on it but I’m pretty sure the kind of absentee slave ownership that allowed the culture to develop the way it did in the sea islands were also present in the mainland rice plantations as well.

Just trying to clarify because I don’t normally see that kind of distinguishment between the two.

My first post in this thread...and answering the thread question was "Maroons in Jamaica" and "Gullah in the Sea Islands"
Groups of Africans who have lived in relative isolation from both the "mainstream white culture" and from their FELLOW Africans/countrymen respectively for decades (centuries)

That type of isolation from outside influences is why those are the first groups that came to my head. Maroons separated from the rest of Jamaica by terrain/mountains and Gullah separated by water /terrain. In that kind of cultural isolation....those cultures were able to develop and "standardize" for lack of a better word.
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The absentee ownership made more sense on the Sea islands where there was little/no chance for escape during slavery. If it occurred on mainland Carolinas, slavers ran the risk of Africans trying escape.

 

[get these nets]

No doubt, Mrs. Harris is someone I highly look up to on this subject.

I’m not doubting the similarities, I’ve always felt that New Orleans is the crossroads of the American South and the Caribbean, which makes it a uniquely special place in the diaspora. However what I’m saying is every aspect of New Orleans culture is not exclusive to its location in relation to the South, which is an assumption I see a lot of people make, which is why dude would use such a poor example when much there’s much better ones to use. Its a lazy approach that speaks more to the lack of knowledge people have of general AA culture outside of major locales. He’s not wrong in his assessment of New Orleans, he’s wrong in his assessment of everyone else.

And trust me I’m well aware of the differences historically between the 2 states. I’m also aware that during the roughly 60 year period of American slavery in the gulf that cultural influence crossed between Creoles(Native Louisianans) and African Americans coming from the Old South as plantations started having blended populations due to the domestic slave trade as well as slavery within the region. That’s not even covering post-emancipation. Louisiana slaves were traded into neighboring states as slavery expanded just the same as they were gaining slaves from elsewhere. It’s not like there was a Great Wall of Louisiana that squelched influence from flowing in and out of the state.

Like explain to me what foods are exclusive to New Orleans in relation to being similar to the Caribbean, that you won’t find anywhere else in the South? What crops are grown that are exclusive and how does that impact the cuisine? Btw, I know the answers I’m just curious what you think they are.

And I want it to be clear my issue hear isn’t the assessment of New Orleans or even Louisiana in general. My issue is too many people’s lazy catch-all approach to understanding AA culture outside of certain locations and the fact that nobody ever challenges it.

First thing is that, if you examine the history and development in that part of the continent.....New Orleans was trading with and to the other port cities in the Gulf/upper Caribbean area

EVERY other port city in the gulf was in Spanish hands, and below the area of the map is Cuba and the port city of Havana .
The trade ties, cultural ties, and family ties to (formerly Spanish controlled) Louisiana and New Orleans didn't vanish once the American flag flew over that region.

It was a two way exchange as the melting pot culture of New Orleans had different components than the islands in many instances
What I've seen in terms of New Orleans cuisine that is more like Caribbean fare than Southern US foods

red beans and rice
rice and congri
jambalaya(created in Louisiana but transported to and popular in former Spanish colonies)
hot sauce (Louis. version transported to and popular in former Spanish colonies)

Now, New Orleans seems to be the city that best represents the resistance to Anglicization that occurred once those former Spanish territories became part of America, but some of the remnants of that era and exchanges still exist in some of those other areas.

 

[generic-username]

Do Black Americans have any food similar to fufu, eba or pounded yam?