What could black conservatives do to earn therespectof black America

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CONSERVE

1. to keep, preserve
2. also to remain unchanged during a process

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why would any black politician (american, european, african) be against change i.e. progression?
the current social state of the african diaspora isnt exactly one wich does not need progression. agree?
 

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No they're not. Most black people are socially conservative and even that's changing with the younger generation. As far as the overall liberal-conservative left-right mainstream political axis, black people have never been conservative as it pertains to policy. The merging of the Republican party with the evangelical right over the last 35 years has resulted into this morphing of social/religious mores and political affiliation. But nobody buys into that narrative except for conservative white people. Blacks, latinos, Asians, middle easterners, etc. may be have socially conservative values in their personal life, but they generally don't feed into this notion that the voting booth is where you euphemistically express them.

I disagree with you there.

Most black people I know, if it weren't for the overt racism of the GOP, would vote republican on the notion of fiscal and social conservatism.

Remind you, if its not basic racism, issues like gay rights or religion still lean "conservative" in most black circles i'm aware of.
 

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its funny how progressive we really are when you think about it..
seeing as we (africans) are the only people who adapted to foreign/ unnatural concepts and yet still remained..

and now..

my people dont want change..
they think we already here..
 

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I disagree with you there.

Most black people I know, if it weren't for the overt racism of the GOP, would vote republican on the notion of fiscal and social conservatism.

Remind you, if its not basic racism, issues like gay rights or religion still lean "conservative" in most black circles i'm aware of.

No they wouldn't. Most black people (and people in general) don't even care about gay marriage like that...the whole "black people should vote Republican because of gay marriage/whatever" is just something Republicans try to sell. In fact based on polling black people are not that different than white people when it comes to overall views on social issues. Some black people (mostly older folks) may have conservative views on some social issues (I wouldn't necessarily say most though) but regardless they'd never vote Republican based on that because it's not in their best interest to.

It'd take a little more than less cism' to get more of the black vote.
 

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Conservatism is not compatible with the interests of black America, so there's that. Conservatism acts with extreme deference to the whims, preferences, attitudes, and tastes of white males, and thus is intolerant to the concerns of black men and women. This isnt a recurring theme, this is inherent to the core of the conservative ideology. There are stand alone issues that black americans could identify with conservative american on, but as a whole there is very little to work with when it comes to black people politically aligning with conservatives.

. @Mephistopheles made a brilliant observation, when he wondered why prominent black conservatives almost all adopted bitter anti-Trayvon martin stances, which clashed violently with the constituency of black americans, and the opinions of the nation. The reason being is that black conservatives acknowledge and accept anti-black narratives, and are committed to upholding and defending these value thoughts when forming their opinions on matters.

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never mind. smh.

and i usually agree w ur points too, but you're generalizing and then just being ironic in the second paragraph with who's making points about black people....

Plus if you ask most black families (that actually vote) issue by issue--- you won't walk away 100% with a liberal agenda. But they still align with the people they 'think' have their back. Some even blindly vote. Nothing worse than being taken for granted and/or being a slave all while thinking your a constituent.
 

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never mind. smh.

and i usually agree w ur points too, but you're generalizing and then just being ironic in the second paragraph with who's making points about black people....

Plus if you ask most black families (that actually vote) issue by issue--- you won't walk away 100% with a liberal agenda. But they still align with the people they 'think' have their back. Some even blindly vote. Nothing worse than being taken for granted and/or being a slave all while thinking your a constituent.

This is an unserious response. Rightward racial attitudes are intrinsically anti-black. Thats not up for debate really. The modern GOP occupies that collective psyche, which is why the GOP as a political brand stimulates racial resentment, and acts on that anxiety in the form of policy making and their marketplace of ideas. These arent generalizations...this is a reality.

Your characterization of black voters (oddly you unnecessarily include the phrase "that do vote") as slaves, and non-thinkers who blindly follow as a framework and explanation for why black voters reject the GOP, is an indication that you open to accommodating the fig leafs of racial supremacy thought.

Are we really going to act as if the various racial categorizations of voting patterns is all one big happenstance? Do we believe that black people are too dumb in understand the razor-thin abstractions that channel anti-black messaging, and that black people simply cracked the racist code of GOP language by mistake? In other words, the GOP is not explicitly the party for white people?
 
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This is an unserious response. Rightward racial attitudes are intrinsically anti-black. Thats not up for debate really. The modern GOP occupies that collective psyche, which is why the GOP as a political brand stimulates racial resentment, and acts on that anxiety in the form of policy making and rhetoric. These arent generalizations...this is a reality.

Your characterization of black voters (oddly you unnecessarily include the phrase "if they do vote") as slaves, and non-thinkers who blindly follow as a framework and explanation for why black voters reject the GOP, is an indication that you open to accommodating the fig leafs of racial supremacy thought.

Are we really going to act as if the various racial categorizations of voting patterns is all one big happenstance? Do we believe that black people are too dumb in understand the razor-thin abstractions that channel anti-black messaging, and that black people simply cracked the racist code of GOP language by mistake? In other words, the GOP is not explicitly the party for white people?
NO- not all black people (specifically) are slaves to the vote. Most Americans in general are- BUT I really just care about the black american ones --- because ,Im black and because our voting block might be the most taken for granted in the history of the democratic world ..

I agree that most of the GOP politicians are racist.. but I also Know that most politicians in general could care less about the welfare of black people or black issues. At the same time, I'm speaking on certain conservative ideas not the GOP.
Due to the fact that we have a 2 party system... if we have ideas that might deviate from the White liberals our voice is literally Not heard-- and therefore we do not have representation in this nation.
Look at all the policies on economy, drugs, prison, urban development, education.... clearly we are barely even citizens. We are only citizens so that we can be held accountable for laws-- and so that we can serve in the armed forces.


I remember when I heard this dude at my college give a speech and he quoted M X. I was sitting w my mouth open after he said this because at the time I worked for all the liberal groups, campaigned for all the liberal causes... EVEN gay rights, believe it or not- because I felt that the overall liberal agenda was the best way because it was 'progressive' .

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way. The liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor

I say if our vote isn't heard.... then we should vote 99% for a 3rd party. Some say that's a waste of vote.. but the last 40 years obviously shows that we have wasted votes for the most part. That way we can 1) have parties try to EARN our vote 2) get into the mindset of do for self. It's just like black people and religion... leaning on some supernatural force for Earth issues... stupid. We lean on gov (maybe not u specifically, but in general) to fix our education, community, etc... stupid.

My point is that many black conservatives have great , PROductive ideas,... we ignore those because they also associate with fukkkery and cac. We shouldn't even care about their association with the GOP because we shouldn't even play into the 2 party system anyway-- because that isn't helping our progress.
 

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The only way I see black conservatism working for us, is if we had a stronger community. Smaller government would mean more community involvement, but the problem we have is we are so quick to run our money out of our neighborhoods and put it into hands that aren't beneficial to us. In all actuality I think conservatism in the black community would be great for us, it just won't work with the current state of things.
 

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NO- not all black people (specifically) are slaves to the vote. Most Americans in general are- BUT I really just care about the black american ones --- because ,Im black and because our voting block might be the most taken for granted in the history of the democratic world ..

I agree that most of the GOP politicians are racist.. but I also Know that most politicians in general could care less about the welfare of black people or black issues. At the same time, I'm speaking on certain conservative ideas not the GOP.
Due to the fact that we have a 2 party system... if we have ideas that might deviate from the White liberals our voice is literally Not heard-- and therefore we do not have representation in this nation.
Look at all the policies on economy, drugs, prison, urban development, education.... clearly we are barely even citizens. We are only citizens so that we can be held accountable for laws-- and so that we can serve in the armed forces.


I remember when I heard this dude at my college give a speech and he quoted M X. I was sitting w my mouth open after he said this because at the time I worked for all the liberal groups, campaigned for all the liberal causes... EVEN gay rights, believe it or not- because I felt that the overall liberal agenda was the best way because it was 'progressive' .



I say if our vote isn't heard.... then we should vote 99% for a 3rd party. Some say that's a waste of vote.. but the last 40 years obviously shows that we have wasted votes for the most part. That way we can 1) have parties try to EARN our vote 2) get into the mindset of do for self. It's just like black people and religion... leaning on some supernatural force for Earth issues... stupid. We lean on gov (maybe not u specifically, but in general) to fix our education, community, etc... stupid.

My point is that many black conservatives have great , PROductive ideas,... we ignore those because they also associate with fukkkery and cac. We shouldn't even care about their association with the GOP because we shouldn't even play into the 2 party system anyway-- because that isn't helping our progress.


Are these black conservatives part of some 3rd party or are they continually aligning themselves with the GOP?
 

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Are these black conservatives part of some 3rd party or are they continually aligning themselves with the GOP?
For the most part........ The latter , unfortunately. :noah:

But we don't need to be aligning with either mainstream. We def shouldn't ignore the points of conservatives though.

Even @dee ot or whatever his name is and @DEAD7 were debating me over some shyt like a month or two ago. about social welfare and stuff. lol, i feel I bodied them in that debate...

but I researched and heard some people discussing in real life.. they were correct.
 

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For the most part........ The latter , unfortunately. :noah:

But we don't need to be aligning with either mainstream. We def shouldn't ignore the points of conservatives though.

Even @dee ot or whatever his name is and @DEAD7 were debating me over some shyt like a month or two ago. about social welfare and stuff. lol, i feel I bodied them in that debate...

but I researched and heard some people discussing in real life.. they were correct.


3rd party is interesting, but ultimately it is a wasted vote. Black conservatives will gain no traction if they keep aligning wit the party that puts out idiots like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/chris-mcdaniel-muslims_n_4595338.html

"The reason Canada is breaking out with brand new gun violence has nothing to do with the United States and guns," McDaniel said. "It has everything to do with a culture that is morally bankrupt. What kind of culture is that? It's called hip-hop.":what::snoop:


I think most liberals are open to conservative economic policy, small government ideas etc. They're just not down with scapegoating poor people. Most conservatives are antiy for big govt. and anti distribution of wealth when it benefits those of a lower economic status. They have no problem with govt. spending on defense/military/law enforcement/prisons etc. nor with government intrusion into personal sex lives of citizens, prayer in school etc.
 

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3rd party is interesting, but ultimately it is a wasted vote. Black conservatives will gain no traction if they keep aligning wit the party that puts out idiots like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/chris-mcdaniel-muslims_n_4595338.html

"The reason Canada is breaking out with brand new gun violence has nothing to do with the United States and guns," McDaniel said. "It has everything to do with a culture that is morally bankrupt. What kind of culture is that? It's called hip-hop.":what::snoop:

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he's kinda right hip hop was used as revolutionary music once upon a time....message just got lost somewhere....It seems like a fantasy that a group like Public Enemy was once mainstream :wow:
 
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