What are Peyton's chances of getting MVP?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

thomas and decker are better than our whole receiving core not sure how its even arguable
broncos were run-heavy last year with fukking tebow and they still put up respectable stats.
thomas in particular is a#1 WR in the making, hes a great playmaker and is better than any of our WRs by a lot imo.

Point is, if the shoe were on the other foot - the 49er's receivers would have more catches, yards and TDs than the Bronco's receivers if they were on opposite teams. Manning would have relatively the same statistical-readings and the comment of Moss, Manningham, Crabtree etc etc are NO WHERE CLOSE to being the receivers that Decker, Stokley and Thomas are, wouldn't have been made.

 

[yseJ]

Point is, if the shoe was on the other foot - the 49er's receivers would have more catches, yards and TDs than the Bronco's receivers if they were on opposite teams..

and your point is pure speculation. while its a FACT that thomas and decker were doing pretty damn well with someone who @JLova called the worst QB of all time

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

and your point is pure speculation. while its a FACT that thomas and decker were doing pretty damn well with someone who @JLova called the worst QB of all time

You call it speculation, I call it an educated guess. Don't be dense, it's pretty safe to say if they were on opposite teams we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[yseJ]

You call it speculation, I call it an educated guess. Don't be dense, it's pretty safe to say if they were on opposite teams we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Im not being dense. the fact is Id still take thomas last year over any of our WRs last year, with denver having a far worse qb

manningham was with one of the best qbs of nfl (better than peyton too at this point, easily) and hasnt produced a lot at all. so why the fukk would peyton make him a probowler if his brother couldnt ?

you have no answer for either of these questions besides an "educated guess"

get off peytons dikk breh. hes not a magician and thomas is easily the best receiver among the group. silly to argue that.

 

[holidayinn21]

manningham was with one of the best qbs of nfl (better than peyton too at this point, easily) and hasnt produced a lot at all. so why the fukk would peyton make him a probowler if his brother couldnt ?

1)manningham was hurt last year

2)there were a couple of named nicks and cruz.

peyton would have mario looking like at worst, a borderline pro-bowler.

 

[mvp_status]

you're grossly exaggerrating...

Yea i know

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Im not being dense. the fact is Id still take thomas last year over any of our WRs last year, with denver having a far worse qb

manningham was with one of the best qbs of nfl (better than peyton too at this point, easily) and hasnt produced a lot at all. so why the fukk would peyton make him a probowler if his brother couldnt ?


get off peytons dikk breh. hes not a magician.

This all revolves around a poster's comment of '49ers receivers are not comparable to Denver's AT ALL' - and then providing statistical proof of his statement by saying, Decker and co have more catches, yards, TDs than the 49ers receivers. He doesn't make this comparison if the roles were reversed, simply because A. Smith wouldn't have put up better #'s than Manning; their teams are not designed in that way for this to be 'possible'. Therefore, he wouldn't have come to that conclusion, because eye-tests and stats would say otherwise.

 

[yseJ]

1)manningham was hurt last year

2)there were a couple of named nicks and cruz.

peyton would have mario looking like at worst, a borderline pro-bowler.

who said I was talking about last year ?
and cruz and nicks are better WRs thats why eli is balling throwing to them and not one-trick pony they made 'ham to be in NY.

you nikkas with your 'woulda's

manningham wasnt a borderline probowler even when healthy and having PT. moss wasnt one with brady his last year with the pats either. but peyton SUDDENLY would make them probowlers

 

[yseJ]

This all revolves around a poster's comment of "49ers receivers are not comparable to Denver's AT ALL" - and then providing statistical proof of his statement by saying, Decker and co have more catches, yards, TDs than the 49ers receivers. He doesn't make this comparison if the roles were reversed, simply because A. Smith wouldn't have put up better #'s than Manning; their teams are not designed in that way for this to be 'possible'. Therefore, he wouldn't have come to that conclusion, because eye-tests and stats would say otherwise.

ok well they are comparable, so I guess you have a point. with that said, they are easily a better core than ours. if crabs had playmaking skills like thomas, then they would be more comparable. also if you bring in the TE into the discussion, they become more comparable.

so I see your point, but thomas still would put up good numbers no matter the qb.

 

[JLova]

he's been running routes 84 out of 256 passing plays

or 84 out of 471 total plays...playcalling is part of it. of course, playcalling take in account alex's limitations but still.

stokley, for example, has run 182 routes on pass plays. thats more than twice as many.

Right. I stated earlier that it's not just the QB, but the playcalling as well.

 

[Stone]

This all revolves around a poster's comment of '49ers receivers are not comparable to Denver's AT ALL' - and then providing statistical proof of his statement by saying, Decker and co have more catches, yards, TDs than the 49ers receivers. He doesn't make this comparison if the roles were reversed, simply because A. Smith wouldn't have put up better #'s than Manning; their teams are not designed in that way for this to be 'possible'. Therefore, he wouldn't have come to that conclusion, because eye-tests and stats would say otherwise.

the "eye-test" that you're talking about is exactly why I said that. You're overstating Manning's impact. He's definitely had an effect but these dudes were beasts even with Tebow throwing to them.

SF's WRs definitely don't have the ability that Thomas has. It's arguable that Decker would be the best WR on their team and he's just a great #2 . gotta and see. They are easily better than SF.

 

[JLova]

As trash as Tebow was...he still pushed the ball downfield. Thomas is better than all of the receivers in this discussion...but we're not talking about one guy. We're talking about an entire receiving group...then you look at Vernon and IMO Peyton would be beasting in SF.

 

[SEC Hater]

decker and thomas were doing great with bum ass tebow tho

1100 yds and 12 TDs between 2 receivers is great?

 

[yseJ]

1100 yds and 12 TDs between 2 receivers is great?

551 yards and 4tds in 10.5 games for thomas
8 tds for decker last year

thats not great for 2nd year receivers with who is supposed to be one of the worst qbs ever in tebow ?

please find me a 49ers WR in last 8 years or so who had scored 8 tds in a season. dont worry, Ill wait.

 

[blackzeus]

Peyton got people talkin' about Denver in the Superbowl for the first time since Elway. If RG3's team was havin' a better season ( lil nikka's got a 94 passer rating as a rookie ), I would see how you could mention him. Right now, here are some of the potential MVP candidates in my opinion:

Peyton Manning
Arian Foster
Charles Tillman

I would toss in Aaron Rodgers if the Pack was on top of the NFC North. But right now, nobody means more to their team than Peyton Manning. You add that to the turnaround from last year, and their record. If they make the playoffs, I'd give it to Manning.