What a Women's Right to Choose really means.

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:to:idk why it didn't quote you @kevm3. But smh in disgust at that story
 
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I wish your family well. I'm not being sarcastic.

my point was I think as a man you can't judge a girl when she gets an abortion.

I'm pro-choice and you're pro-life were not going to agree and I respect where you're coming from
Thanks man.

I am not pro-life. Pro-life is no abortion what so ever. Im against non medically necessary or strong sercemstan abortions. This is why I dont understand the push back. Is it really so far fetched of an idea that a woman shouldn't be able to kill her child because she regrets a one night stand ?
 

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@DEAD7 how libeterian are you on this issue?
Split.

Does the woman's right to her body trump the babies right to life? and if so why?
Does filling our already full prisons up with young women(and doctors) guilty of murder sound right? or sane?
Is the child entitled to her body? If not can she evict it as you would a unwanted tenant? If so, what gives the child dominion over her body?

Its a messy issue, and no one wins ultimately.


I go back and forth, currently i'm pro choice, but that can change tomorrow. Its just that messy an issue.
 

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Split.

Does the woman's rightCAli her body trump the babies right to life? and if so why?
Does filling our already full prisons up with young women(and doctors) guilty of murder sound right? or sane?
Is the child entitled to her body? If not can she evict it as you would a unwanted tenant? If so, what gives the child dominion over her body?

Its a messy issue, and no one wins ultimately.

I go back and forth, currently i'm pro choice, but that can change tomorrow. Its just that messy an issue.
Does the woman's right to her body trump the babies right to life? and if so why?

No I don't think a woman's right to her body trumps that of her babies. This is why we have laws on the books against pregnant women drinking, smoking, and doing illegal drugs. Also lefts assume there is this "right to body". Then does not a man have a right to the goings ons of the unborn child since its partially his body as well?


Does filling our already full prisons up with young women(and doctors) guilty of murder sound right? or sane?

If that's the law then yes. But murder isn't the right charge. It would have to be more manslaughter, abuse of a child that caused death type charge. Put them in the jail with the blue banders.

Is the child entitled to her body? If not can she evict it as you would a unwanted tenant? If so, what gives the child dominion over her body?

Yes the child is entitled to her body since it was her actions that brought the child. If eviction is the term you world like to call abortion it would actually make it harder for pro choice. An eviction is a legal process with a defendant. Obviously with an unwanted tent there are laws to abide by. What gives the child "dominion" Are the life actions of her mother.
 
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No I don't think a woman's right to her body trumps that of her babies. This is why we have laws on the books against pregnant women drinking, smoking, and doing illegal drugs. Also lefts assume there is this "right to body". Then does not a man have a right to the grooming ons of the unborn child since its partially his body as well?

If that's the law then yes. But murder isn't the right charge. It would have to be more manslaughter, abuse of a child that caused death type charge. Put them in the jail with the blue banders.

Yes the child is entitled to her body since it was her actions that brought the child. If eviction is the term you world like to call abortion it would actually make it harder for pro choice. An eviction is a legal process with a defendant. Obviously with an unwanted tent there are laws to abide by. At least I. What gives the child "dominion" Are the life actions of her mother.
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Its a tough issue.
 

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you deal in absolutes in everything else......

letting the government decide what a woman does with her body
Its a tough issue.

If I look at as an eviction, which would mean a humane abortion, and the child died because it was incapable of surviving on its own(not being scrambled). I could conclude that it was not murdered...

but i dont know.:scusthov:

side note: I'm trying to move away from absolutes.
 

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Its a tough issue.

If I look at as an eviction, which would mean a humane abortion, and the child died because it was incapable of surviving on its own(not being scrambled). I could conclude that it was not murdered...

but i dont know.:scusthov:

side note: I'm trying to move away from absolutes.

I hear you...this issue does suck.....so you're a ron Paul liberterian where you believe in God?
 
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Its a tough issue.

If I look at as an eviction, which would mean a humane abortion, and the child died because it was incapable of surviving on its own(not being scrambled). I could conclude that it was not murdered...

but i dont know.:scusthov:

side note: I'm trying to move away from absolutes.
Breh you can't can't look at it as an eviction. That's an easy out. If it's an eviction that means every woman's body is real estate. It seems dodging and questioning the motility of the issue in this instance is leading to even more government control over a woman's body..


Murder shouldn't be the charge. I explained this in my other post
 

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I just want to point out that we don't know the circumstances surrounding OP's videos. The third video is titled late term abortion, and most people are against that except in extreme casing. I'm guessing the others are also the same. If that's the case then there was probably some medical reason to end the pregnancy that's unknown to us.... and we should keep that in mind.

It's an unfortunate reality in our society, but we should be striving to make these procedures more safe ... so situations like the one @kevm3 don't happen.
 

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http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
I just want to point out that we don't know the circumstances surrounding OP's videos. The third video is titled late term abortion, and most people are against that except in extreme casing. I'm guessing the others are also the same. If that's the case then there was probably some medical reason to end the pregnancy that's unknown to us.... and we should keep that in mind.

It's an unfortunate reality in our society, but we should be striving to make these procedures more safe ... so situations like the one @kevm3 don't happen.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Can we just be real here for a second? You know and understand the sercemstans im speaking of in this thread. Abortions in America is safe. Safety isn't the problem. Moral responsibility is
 

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http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Can we just be real here for a second? You know and understand the sercemstans im speaking of in this thread. Abortions in America is safe. Safety isn't the problem. Moral responsibility is

Okay what are you asking me? Assuming I take these statistics at face value, I don't see the practice as immoral, whether the reason for it is economic or not.
 
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