Were the Egyptians black?

[88m3]

Why do you guys hate black people?

 

[emoney]

Not true. There is acutally no evidence to suggest that the Copts are the direct descendants, words are useless to me, lets see some academic peer reviewed evidence that is better than FSCballin's photo-evidence of Black Ancient Egyptians.

Post a refutation of Chiekh Anta Diop. Is there even an academic refutation of his findings?

are you stupid?

there is lingustic and genetic evidence

even Diop said so

have you even read his books? I own every single one of his books

 

[emoney]

I was very specific with whom the Ancient Egyptian were in my previous post...you need to read it again..

you weren't specific at all

all you did was use ambiguous terms like "Black" and "African" which mean absolutely nothing

which modern day "African" ethnic groups are descendents of the Ancient Egyptians?

now is your time to put up or shut up

 

[emoney]

fscballign examples were how the average Ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves/looked....Where as you obviously intentionally posted the whitest looking pics of alleged Ancient Egyptian(whom contrast greatly from and don't even look the same race as the average Ancient Egyptians) to back your obvious agenda....there really is no comparison.

anyone can spam pictures

 

[lrm98]

you weren't specific at all

all you did was use ambiguous terms like "Black" and "African" which mean absolutely nothing

which modern day "African" ethnic groups are descendents of the Ancient Egyptians?

now is your time to put up or shut up

Clearly I said modern day socalled Nubians are the true decendents /closest people Ancient Egyptians....is that not specific enough for you?

 

[emoney]

Clearly I said modern day socalled Nubians are the true decendents /closest people Ancient Egyptians....is that not specific enough for you?

and where are they located?

in Southern Egypt and Northern Sudan correct?

 

[lrm98]

anyone can spam pictures

pictures say a thousand word,,,, fcballing pics are closer to the reality of how Ancient Egyptians viewed themselves.looked and it's clear with those features and African origin that AEs were a black/African creed.

 

[lrm98]

and where are they located?

in Southern Egypt and Northern Sudan correct?

how is that relevant to the to this discussion?

 

[emoney]

how is that relevant to the to this discussion?

is it true or not?

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

fscballign examples were how the average Ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves/looked....Where as you obviously intentionally posted the whitest looking pics of alleged Ancient Egyptian(whom contrast greatly from and don't even look the same race as the average Ancient Egyptians) to back your obvious agenda....there really is no comparison.

There are no sculptures of the average ancient Egytpians. There are sculptures of rulers (some of them conquerors) and high officials.

As for the whole "mutilating the noses" thing:

The question of whether the Egyptians were black, is really a different question. The logic of it goes something like this, when many people want to say that yes, the Egyptians were black. The logic is something like this: Africans are black. Egypt is on Africa. Therefore, all Egyptians were black. That's sort of the logic.

Now, the only thing that's true about those three statements is that Egypt is on the African continent. That's true. But it's certainly not true that all Egyptians were black. That's a crucial conclusion in the argument. Egyptians, like Americans, came in all colours. Some were light-skinned, some were dark-skinned. But we can't say that they were all black. It's a bit like if you asked, "Are Americans black or white?" The answer is yes, right? They're all things. So to say that Africans are black, even, doesn't quite work.

Now, let's think about how the Egyptians viewed it. How did the Egyptians view themselves? They weren't particularly interested in colour. There was no sense of racial discrimination based on colour among the Egyptians. If you came into Egypt, and you were willing to live as an Egyptian, you were accepted.

But, if you look at the tomb paintings where the Egyptians are depicting foreign peoples you will see Nubians. They are painted with black skin. The Egyptians, on the other hand, are not painted with black skin. They are painted red, traditionally. The men are usually red, the women are usually yellow.

The Egyptians are saying, "we are different from these people."

[...]

Very often, you will get people who want all Egyptians to be black saying things like "Look at all the statues, the noses have been knocked off" and often the claim is that the noses were knocked off because they were African noses, wide noses. Not true. I mean, there certainly may have been a fair share of early Egyptologist racists. But the statues are found that way. They're found without noses because a nose sticks out. When a statue topples over, often it's the nose that hits the ground and it breaks. So there hasn't been this conscious effort to destroy statues that had Nubian features, no, that's certainly wrong. But I think there's a sense of people wanting a kind of black pride, and are perhaps displacing it.

What I tell my students, and I often have black kids who want to think that all Egyptians are black. And I tell them, no, they weren't all black. Some were, some weren't. And it's fine to be interested in black pride, black history. But what I tell them is, if you're really interested, look at the XXVth Dynasty. Look at guys like Taharqa, Shabaka. Look at Piankhi. These guys really were black--they were Nubians, almost certainly black. And they marched north, and conquered Egypt, and ruled it. That's where you can look to see really strong black influence in Egypt.

That's from a lecture by respected Egyptologist Bob Brier. If you want to check his bona fides: Bob Brier - Long Island University

 

[lrm98]

is it true or not?

I misread your question...Yeah most modern day socalled Nubians /Ancient Egyptian decendents are concentrated in Southern Egypt and Northern Sudan

 

[KingDanz]

So your saying the reason Ancient Egyptian statues have no noses is because they fell over and the nose broke because it stuck out.. really?. You just think it is a coincidence that the many Ancient Egyptian statues with nubian features, including the sphinx, all some how have missing noses? So how come the Ancient Greek statues noses are perfectly intact? Infact the Ancient Greek statues look brand new.

 

[88m3]

So your saying the reason Ancient Egyptian statues have no noses is because they fell over and the nose broke because it stuck out.. really?. You just think it is a coincidence that the many Ancient Egyptian statues with nubian features, including the sphinx, all some how have missing noses? So how come the Ancient Greek statues noses are perfectly intact? Infact the Ancient Greek statues look brand new.

the sand wore the noses away on all the statues

 

[lrm98]

There are no sculptures of the average ancient Egytpians. There are sculptures of rulers (some of them conquerors) and high officials.

As for the whole "mutilating the noses" thing:

That's from a lecture by respected Egyptologist Bob Brier. If you want to check his bona fides: Bob Brier - Long Island University

Uh yeah....brown skin and wooly afro hair often styled in braids/locs or other Afrocentric styles was a common look of AEs and representation of thier black/African origin..

I only skimmed through that artcle you posted but it's apparent that honkey (whom wrote it)is apart fo the same white power structure in the Westeren scientific community whom have been trying to hide Ancient Egypt's black orign for centures...Ancient Egyptians were very concious of race and thier blackness....So much so they label themselves blacks/Kemites and clearly distinguish themselves from paler skinned Eurasian races whom were viewed as enemeis....Let's get this straight...Native Egyptians were blacks...Though I understand Ancient Egyptians did take some prisoners of war from Eurasia(Syria) as concubines foreigners were viewed with contempt and not generally accepted in Egyptian society as Egyptians....Either the kracker doesn't no what he's talkinga bout are imposing his own revisonary history what he wanted AE to be..but AEs viewed Eurasians such as himself as ifnerior cave dwellers they called troglodtyes..

-Here's some qoutes of the AEs expressing there distastse for Eurasian whiteys.

Lo the miserable Asiatic (white),
He is wretched because of the place he's in:
Short of water, bare of wood,
Its paths are many and painful because of mountains.
He does not dwell in one place,
Food propels his legs,
He fights since the time of Horus..
He does not announce the day of combat,
Like a thief who darts about a group.."

"Asiatics (whites) are both cowardly and pitiful, leading a marginal existence, constantly fighting but with nothing ever settled. They are also sly and ultimately treacherous, attacking without warning. This passage characterizes Asiatics as both primitive and threatening.. In this case, the passage reflects Egypt's combination of colonial domination and outright military conflict.."

Merikare goes on (Lichtheim 1976: 103-104)

"The Asiatic is a crocodile on its shore
It snatches from a lonely road,
It cannot seize a populous town."

"Along the same lines, the Prophecy of Neferti (c. 1950 BC) portrays Asiatic immigrants as a flock of rapacious birds descending on Egypt, taking advantage of civil wars of the First Intermediate Period (c. 2150 - 2050 BC) to infiltrate parts of the rich Egyptian delta (Lichtheim 1973: 141):

A strange bird will breed in the delta marsh,
having made its nest besides the people..
All happiness is vanished,
The land is bowed down in distress,
Owing to those feeders,
Asiatics who roam the land..
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^^^^^^

that doesn't sound like the AEs didn't understand the concept of race or were and accepting of all to me

-I don't think it is by accident that so many Ancient Egyptian bust nose are broken off no more than I think it's a coincidence like the brown paint(around the face/skin area)of several bust appear to have been chiseled/washed off to make the people appear lighter skinned. ...I wouldn't put anything against how far the whiteman will go to attempt to hide the Ancient Egypt's black roots.I's all in vain though since outside of the obvious evidence left behind by the Ancient Egytians of black people whom are much darker than mdoern Middle Eastern/arab orign Egyptians science has proven that soclled Nubians are genetically the cloest to the AEs. ...as far the nose thing .it's not my position that a wide nose is prequirement to be black...That's bullshyt made by racist peckerwoodse to pigeonhold black people in a box....That being said there are alot of of intact bust of Ancient Egyptians(Pharoahgs included) with broad noses.

 

[fscballin]

even more interesting are the excuses some of these posters will come up with, trying to rationalize why the noses are messed us

Lol @ some of the spurious nonsense in this thread. Ancient Egyptians being "black". People mutilating statues noses (here's a clue: noses are one of the most fragile parts of a statue + 5000 years = ???).

the sand wore the noses away on all the statues

As for the whole "mutilating the noses" thing:

But the statues are found that way. They're found without noses because a nose sticks out. When a statue topples over, often it's the nose that hits the ground and it breaks. So there hasn't been this conscious effort to destroy statues that had Nubian features, no, that's certainly wrong. But I think there's a sense of people wanting a kind of black pride, and are perhaps displacing it.