"Wentz Gone, Now We Embrace The Devonta "2K21 Philadelphia Eagles Off-Season Thread

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1thouwow said:
And Howie has built a contending team until this year when our QB regressed and our whole team got injured. This is the first time we missed the playoffs in 3 years :what:
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The 2019 Eagles were about as much of a true contender as the 2020 Washington Football Team, another mediocre team that made the playoffs thanks to a terrible division. That Eagles team fielded one of the NFL’s worst wide receiving/defensive back units and needed a late-season miracle run against a terrible NFC East to make the postseason. That was not a roster built to contend in any true sense, not like the 2017 Eagles or the 2017-2020 Saints. And I don’t buy the QB/injury excuse for 2020, either. A good team can drag a bad QB to at least seven or so wins (see: 2019 Chicago Bears and Mitch Trubisky) and even when our starters – such as Ertz, Jeffery, Peters, etc. – were healthy, they were still terrible.

If just barely managing to make the playoffs in 2018 or 2019 wasn’t enough to earn Doug Pederson the benefit the doubt, then it shouldn’t do so for Howie Roseman either. The Eagles have trended downward since 2017 as our vets got older, worse, and more inj. Howie’s drafting has been bad even relative to the rest of the league since his 2016 return to power, and he has failed to find long-term impact players at the positions that matter. He has traded away draft capital for guys like Golden Tate, who failed to help the team in any significant way. He failed to properly build around his starting QB. He alone, among 32 other NFL front offices, fields a team that manages to be largely talentless, old and injury-prone, and expensive as hell all at once. Other teams have fired their GMs for this kind of bullshyt.

If Eagles fans can find it in themselves to move on from Wentz and Pederson, both of whom also contributed to the 2017 season and the 2018/2019 (in Wentz's case, anyway) playoff pushes, then why the hell do we need to defend Howie Roseman?
 
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KingCesar said:
The 2019 Eagles were about as much of a true contender as the 2020 Washington Football Team, another mediocre team that made the playoffs thanks to a terrible division. That Eagles team fielded one of the NFL’s worst wide receiving/defensive back units and needed a late-season miracle run against a terrible NFC East to make the postseason. That was not a roster built to contend in any true sense, not like the 2017 Eagles or the 2017-2020 Saints. And I don’t buy the QB/injury excuse for 2020, either. A good team can drag a bad QB to at least seven or so wins (see: 2019 Chicago Bears and Mitch Trubisky) and even when our starters – such as Ertz, Jeffery, Peters, etc. – were healthy, they were still terrible.

If just barely managing to make the playoffs in 2018 or 2019 wasn’t enough to earn Doug Pederson the benefit the doubt, then it shouldn’t do so for Howie Roseman either. The Eagles have trended downward since 2017 as our vets got older, worse, and more inj. Howie’s drafting has been bad even relative to the rest of the league since his 2016 return to power, and he has failed to find long-term impact players at the positions that matter. He has traded away draft capital for guys like Golden Tate, who failed to help the team in any significant way. He failed to properly build around his starting QB. He alone, among 32 other NFL front offices, fields a team that manages to be largely talentless, old and injury-prone, and expensive as hell all at once. Other teams have fired their GMs for this kind of bullshyt.

If Eagles fans can find it in themselves to move on from Wentz and Pederson, both of whom also contributed to the 2017 season and the 2018/2019 (in Wentz's case, anyway) playoff pushes, then why the hell do we need to defend Howie Roseman?
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KingCesar said:
The 2019 Eagles were about as much of a true contender as the 2020 Washington Football Team, another mediocre team that made the playoffs thanks to a terrible division. That Eagles team fielded one of the NFL’s worst wide receiving/defensive back units and needed a late-season miracle run against a terrible NFC East to make the postseason. That was not a roster built to contend in any true sense, not like the 2017 Eagles or the 2017-2020 Saints. And I don’t buy the QB/injury excuse for 2020, either. A good team can drag a bad QB to at least seven or so wins (see: 2019 Chicago Bears and Mitch Trubisky) and even when our starters – such as Ertz, Jeffery, Peters, etc. – were healthy, they were still terrible.

If just barely managing to make the playoffs in 2018 or 2019 wasn’t enough to earn Doug Pederson the benefit the doubt, then it shouldn’t do so for Howie Roseman either. The Eagles have trended downward since 2017 as our vets got older, worse, and more inj. Howie’s drafting has been bad even relative to the rest of the league since his 2016 return to power, and he has failed to find long-term impact players at the positions that matter. He has traded away draft capital for guys like Golden Tate, who failed to help the team in any significant way. He failed to properly build around his starting QB. He alone, among 32 other NFL front offices, fields a team that manages to be largely talentless, old and injury-prone, and expensive as hell all at once. Other teams have fired their GMs for this kind of bullshyt.

If Eagles fans can find it in themselves to move on from Wentz and Pederson, both of whom also contributed to the 2017 season and the 2018/2019 (in Wentz's case, anyway) playoff pushes, then why the hell do we need to defend Howie Roseman?
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JJsmoothie
My Ball Zach Ertz
4h

I can try just for the sake of it. I'm still in the camp that its not one person's fault to be clear.

Howie has drafted:

Godert.

Sanders.

Derek Barnett.

Maddox.

Semaulo?

Mailita?

(I still like Reagor but won't count him)

Brought us through trades/signings:

Slay & Golden Tate & Jordan Howard & Jay Ajayi & Tim Jernigan & Alshon & Malik Jackson and Javon Hargrave*

(One of which was somehow unable to be used by the coaches).

Hes had more misses recently though by a long shot, so the recency bias is making him feel a lot worse. Of course you can even count Ertz, Kelce, Lane, Fletch, but I wasnt familar with how involved he was at that point so tried to do more recent picks.



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LumberjackWeezy
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Don't forget Malik Jackson (who at the time was seen as a great signing) and Javon Hargrave.


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Howie is the only person in the building who has fully demonstrated he can take a roster through a rebuild.

He took the flaming dumpster Chip left and traded and drafted and crafted his ass off to build a team good enough to win a Superbowl with backups.

Say whatever you want about his WR draft picks or our Cap situation. Lurie knows exactly who put that roster together and that why Howie is still here. To see if he can do it again.

It's never one person's fault, and it's never one person who deserves all the credit. But Howie has already shown excellent ability as a GM just for the incredible turnaround from 2015-2018.
 
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Leasy said:
The hell is the point of bringing Foles when you should of kept him in the first place :gucci:. Sheesh team dumb as fukk.
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Bears want to shed his salary if they're bringing in Wentz, and they want to avoid the awkward dynamic bringing him and Foles back together would create.

It's a win-win for us, an Eagles legend comes home and he's still an excellent backup and mentor for a kid like Hurts.
 
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