Wemby is surely lighting it up and making history in year 2. Damn, wish Zion was this good in year 2.

[DetroitEWarren]

When have I ever shytted on Zion for not getting rebounds? I rarely ever criticize any player when it comes to rebounding, in that sense. In fact, most of the time when I criticize a player's rebounding, it's because they're grabbing a rebound over doing something else of greater value.

Nxgga, when are you gonna stop lying on my name?

I couldn't give a fukk about Zion's rebounding. It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Now you're just arguing in bad faith.

Wemby has just started his second season, whereas Zion is in his 5th year. Nothing hypocritical about judging the development and play of a 5th year player differently to someone in their second year.

And that thread that I made is no different to what I've been saying about his game since the beginning, so those games I pointed out this season are a reflection of how his game is still limited, and that when you take away his only avenue of offense he doesn't have anything else to rely on. If Wemby only has one source of offense during his 5th season, than I'd hope everyone (including myself) would hold his feet to the fire, and not make excuses for him like you're doing with Zion.

So if nobody can ever take away that offensive avenue, a dominant offensive avenue, compared to, Wemby, who doesn't have a single dominant offensive skill, then what you are saying is just fukkin stupid.

"When you take away his strength". That's funny, it hasn't happened anymore than 15-25 times in his whole career so what the fukk do you even mean?

WHO HAS STOPPED HIM?

How many bad games does he have in his career, because in only 2 seasons, Wemby has much more than Zion in 6. So what the fukk do you mean and what point are you trying to make. It's dumb as hell and you are making yourself look stupid asf.

The nikka is a bytch that can't stay healthy and in shape. The nikka doesn't love basketball and might not want to be great. However, he's been one of the most dominant players in NBA history when he's been on the court. This is a fact. Keep the opinions to yourself breh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So if nobody can ever take away that offensive avenue, a dominant offensive avenue, compared to, Wemby, who doesn't have a single dominant offensive skill, then what you are saying is just fukkin stupid.

"When you take away his strength". That's funny, it hasn't happened anymore than 15-25 times in his whole career so what the fukk do you even mean?

WHO HAS STOPPED HIM?

The problem with this is, you're looking through the lens of what happens during the regular season, where you can walk around with a fake chain without it being tested. If you don't know what it is you're looking for, you can make the mistake of thinking a player who eats off easy scoring opportunities is real, when teams aren't gameplanning, or they're running weaker lineups, or they're on a lengthy road trip or they're going through the motions of an 82-game season.

When Zion is allowed to run downhill or he's allowed to play freely during the the first three quarters of the game, you can make the mistake of thinking he's dominant and that being a reflection of the success he's going to have, and then the backend of the 4th quarter hits, the game slows down, teams start locking in defensively, and it exposes flaws of players that weren't so visible earlier in the piece.

This is why I've made such a grand emphasis on him expanding his game.

If he ever makes it into the postseason, when teams are specifically gameplanning for him and putting out all their best defensive players and giving their best efforts, he's going to need more than what he's been doing for the last 4-5 years. Far too often I've seen him struggle at the end of games because once teams take away the paint from him, he doesn't know what to do, he ends up turning the ball over, or getting his shyt stuffed or throwing it out to a teammate to bail him out.

He won't have championship success (or put his team into legitimate contention) as the centerpiece by playing the way he does. It's as simple as that.

He's not even talented and capable as Bron, and Bron wouldn't have got anywhere in his career if his entire diet of offense was in the paint. How do you expect Zion to?

The nikka is a bytch that can't stay healthy and in shape. The nikka doesn't love basketball and might not want to be great. However, he's been one of the most dominant players in NBA history when he's been on the court. This is a fact. Keep the opinions to yourself breh.

Well then, you've pretty much proven my point.

If you don't think he doesn't want to be great than what the fukk is it you're trying to argue anymore?

Are you not admitting he's not going to be this success you thought he'd be when he came into the league? He's not going to be the next Bron, the next generational superstar, the face of the league? The fact that he doesn't want to be great is all the more reason why I keep harping on about his lack of a jumpshot; it's quite clear he doesn't want to improve his game because he's just content on where he's at now.

He doesn't have it in him to get over the most basic of obstacles to further his game/career, how do you expect him to perform in the playoffs, where superstars are made?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

However, he's been one of the most dominant players in NBA history when he's been on the court. This is a fact. Keep the opinions to yourself breh.

This is not a fact.

You can't be one of the most dominant players in history if you've never done shyt in the playoffs. Furthermore, are you going to claim you were right about Zion 10 years from now if he still has no playoff success? Is that what this has come to? Only talking about what he does during the regular season? When have the best of the best become that purely because of what they've acheived during the regular season and literally nothing else?

 

[DetroitEWarren]

The problem with this is, you're looking through the lens of what happens during the regular season, where you can walk around with a fake chain without it being tested. If you don't know what it is you're looking for, you can make the mistake of thinking a player who eats off easy scoring opportunities is real, when teams aren't gameplanning, or they're running weaker lineups, or they're on a lengthy road trip or they're going through the motions of an 82-game season.

When Zion is allowed to run downhill or he's allowed to play freely during the the first three quarters of the game, you can make the mistake of thinking he's dominant and that being a reflection of the success he's going to have, and then the backend of the 4th quarter hits, the game slows down, teams start locking in defensively, and it exposes flaws of players that weren't so visible earlier in the piece.

This is why I've made such a grand emphasis on him expanding his game.

If he ever makes it into the postseason, when teams are specifically gameplanning for him and putting out all their best defensive players and giving their best efforts, he's going to need more than what he's been doing for the last 4-5 years. Far too often I've seen him struggle at the end of games because once teams take away the paint from him, he doesn't know what to do, he ends up turning the ball over, or getting hit shyt stuffed or throwing it out to a teammate to bail him out.

He won't have championship success (or put his team into legitimate contention) as the centerpiece by playing the way he does. It's as simple as that.

Well then, you've pretty much proven my point.

If you don't think he doesn't want to be great than what the fukk is it you're trying to argue anymore?

Are you not admitting he's not going to be this success you thought he'd be when he came into the league? He's not going to be the next Bron, the next generational superstar, the face of the league? The fact that he doesn't want to be great is all the more reason why I keep harping on about his lack of a jumpshot; it's quite clear he doesn't want to improve his game because he's just content on where he's at now.

He doesn't have it in him to get over the most basic of obstacles to further his game/career, how do you expect him to perform in the playoffs, where superstars are made?

He's literally dominated multiple 4th quarters. You have a hell of an imagination. ALL TEAMS GAMEPLAN FOR ZION. Not BI, not fukkin CJ, them nikkas are literally wise open and NEVER double teamed. Never. You will never see 2 defenders on BI because you gotta guard Zion off the fukkin ball, fool. He has the most gravity in the NBA next to Steph Curry. THIS IS ANOTHER FACT.

Your little imagination is running fukking wild right now and you should contain it. He just had 16 in the 4th yesterday with the whole team all over that nikka.

You keep giving out all this false information. So now teams don't ganeplan for Zion, when he's literally the only person guarded on the whole fukkin team .

As if he didn't put 40 on the Lakers in his ONLY playoff appearance.

See my nikka, I operate off of facts. I base my evaluation off of facts. THE shyt YOU SAY IS YOUR OPINION, AND WRONG ASF.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

This is not a fact.

You can't be one of the most dominant players in history if you've never done shyt in the playoffs. Furthermore, are you going to claim you were right about Zion 10 years from now if he still has no playoff success? Is that what this has come to? Only talking about what he does during the regular season? When have the best of the best become that purely because of what they've acheived during the regular season and literally nothing else?

So have they missed the playoffs because he was healthy and playing, or are you trying to just ignore the fact that he wasn't on the court and that's the reason why they haven't made any playoffs noise?

Remember #1 2 months into the season and top 3 in MVP rankings?

Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because you choose to not mention the injurys doesn't mean anybody will take your dumbass talking point seriously when everyone knows he has been hurt.

You act like a fukkin Trump supporter. Wtf smh.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

This is not a fact.

You can't be one of the most dominant players in history if you've never done shyt in the playoffs. Furthermore, are you going to claim you were right about Zion 10 years from now if he still has no playoff success? Is that what this has come to? Only talking about what he does during the regular season? When have the best of the best become that purely because of what they've acheived during the regular season and literally nothing else?

They made the playoffs last year, they were #1 before he got hurt the year before. The year before that he missed the whole season, the year before that he broke records with a bad team and BI missed 20+ games that year. Rookie season he missed the first 40 something games, and the season was stopped because of Covid.

All of your lies just make you look dumb as hell and agenda driven.

Facts always beat fiction and always pisses on imagination.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

He has the most gravity in the NBA next to Steph Curry. THIS IS ANOTHER FACT.

The fact that you think this is a fact and actually believe it is troubling. You quite literally made this up all on your own.

You don't operate off facts. You operate off a fantasy you've created about Zion.

So have they missed the playoffs because he was healthy and playing, or are you trying to just ignore the fact that he wasn't on the court and that's the reason why they haven't made any playoffs noise?

Again, I'm telling you -

You can't be one of the most dominant players in history if your resume is only what you've done during the regular season. He isn't even in the conversation of being that caliber of player. Nobody is until they have actual success, and that doesn't necessarily mean winning rings, but it's doing a lot more than just putting up box score numbers during the regular season.

Remember #1 2 months into the season and top 3 in MVP rankings?

This is embarrassing.

You're cherry-picking a finite period where he was top-3 on someone's unofficial MVP rankings? You do realize that MVP rankings don't have anything to do with the actual vote, they're just one person's (or network's) opinion?

Is this the hill you really want to die on?

Not actually winning an MVP, or even getting MVP votes, but being on someone's unofficial rankings two months into a season.

Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because you choose to not mention the injurys doesn't mean anybody will take your dumbass talking point seriously when everyone knows he has been hurt.

I'll ask you again, will you claim you're right about Zion 10 years from now if he has no playoff success?

You act like a fukkin Trump supporter. Wtf smh.

You literally just made up information about Zion and passed them off as facts, and you're accusing me of acting like a Trump supporter?

Lord have mercy.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They made the playoffs last year, they were #1 before he got hurt the year before. The year before that he missed the whole season, the year before that he broke records with a bad team and BI missed 20+ games that year. Rookie season he missed the first 40 something games, and the season was stopped because of Covid.

All of your lies just make you look dumb as hell and agenda driven.

Facts always beat fiction and always pisses on imagination.

What the fukk are you even talking about?

Zion hasn't even played one playoff game.

Are you okay? Do you need some help? Do you need me to call someone to come get you?

 

[DetroitEWarren]

What the fukk are you even talking about?

Zion hasn't even played one playoff game.

Are you okay? Do you need some help? Do you need me to call someone to come get you?

They made the playoffs last year. End of conversation. He doninated the Lakers and got hurt. This is a fact. It's a fact that he led his team to the playoffs last year, but got hurt the last game.

Do you understand what a fact is?

So did they or didn't they make the playoffs last year?

You seem to think because he got hurt, that means they didn't make it at all?

But yea, ignore the fact that they COULDN'T DO shyt against OKC without him, they had just beat OKC days before that game with a healthy Zion. Without him they looked like one of the worse playoffs teams in NBA history. The great Brandon Ingram couldn't even get a shot off against Lou Dirt and Zion embarrassed that nikka last season.

fukk outta here nikka you continue to make yourself look stupid asf

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They made the playoffs last year. End of conversation. He doninated the Lakers and got hurt. This is a fact. It's a fact that he led his team to the playoffs last year, but got hurt the last game.

Do you understand what a fact is?

So did they or didn't they make the playoffs last year?

You seem to think because he got hurt, that means they didn't make it at all?

But yea, ignore the fact that they COULDN'T DO shyt against OKC without him, they had just beat OKC days before that game with a healthy Zion. Without him they looked like one of the worse playoffs teams in NBA history. The great Brandon Ingram couldn't even get a shot off against Lou Dirt and Zion embarrassed that nikka last season.

fukk outta here nikka you continue to make yourself look stupid asf

What part of he hasn't played one playoff game do you not understand? Why are you still talking about the playoffs?

He needs to prove his worth in the postseason.

He hasn't.

That is a fact.

I don't care for whatever the fukk it is you're doing here typing up all this bullshyt and saying nothing.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

What part of he hasn't played one playoff game do you not understand? Why are you still talking about the playoffs?

He needs to prove his worth in the postseason.

He hasn't.

That is a fact.

I don't care for whatever the fukk it is you're doing here typing up all this bullshyt and saying nothing.

nikka you are the stupid mothafukka trying to make it look like he has missed the playoffs because he hasn't been good enough to make the playoffs. He already led his team to the playoffs once and was at the top of the league another time before injury.

You are the nikka using your opinion to read the future, it's an actual fact that he's been hurt, missed games, and that's the reason his team missed the offs

You are saying "if he doesn't do it in the playoffs" as if he's played multiple games and couldn't get it done. He was t there you stupid ass nikka.

ITS YOUR fukkING OPINION THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAUSE A GANE IS CALLED "PLAYOFFS" THAT A HISTORICALLY DOMINANT PLAYER WOULD FALL OFF THE MAP.

There is nothing you can cite, post, reference, ect, that can prove the stupid ass shyt you are saying. In NBA history there are only like 3-4 great players who were trash in the playoffs. It's some shyt that just doesn't happen, but to you, it's definite. Stupid ass nikka.

If this fat ass fukk nikka ever stays healthy long enough, you will definitely run from the conversation and pop back up a season later the first bad game the box score shows you.

fukk outta here nikka. Nobody takes you seriously.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

nikka you are the stupid mothafukka trying to make it look like he has missed the playoffs because he hasn't been good enough to make the playoffs.

What I'm telling you is, he needs to prove his worth in the playoffs, I could care less about whatever excuses you have on your hip about him not making the playoffs.

Until that happens, he isn't who you think he is. It's just a figment of your imagination.

You are saying "if he doesn't do it in the playoffs" as if he's played multiple games and couldn't get it done. He was t there you stupid ass nikka.

Except he hasn't played in the playoffs, so how could he possibly have lived up to the expectations you've had for him? Are you going to be talking about what he's done during the regular season for the rest of his days?

There is nothing you can cite, post, reference, ect, that can prove the stupid ass shyt you are saying. In NBA history there are only like 3-4 great players who were trash in the playoffs. It's some shyt that just doesn't happen, but to you, it's definite. Stupid ass nikka.

This isn't about whether or not he'll be trash in the playoffs (the bar is much higher than that), this is about him living up to being this generational megastar you think he is.

If this fat ass fukk nikka ever stays healthy long enough, you will definitely run from the conversation and pop back up a season later the first bad game the box score shows you.

You do realize the only way you'll be proven right about him is if he has an extensive postseason resume where he's leading multiple title-contending teams as the centerpiece, right? Not just one year of doing it, or two, I'm talking a sustained period as being the centerpiece, and he's got his team into title contention.

That's what generational superstars, the most dominant players in NBA history and faces of the league do.

Most folks have already, but the ones who're still believing your nonsense will soon tune it out if you're still talking about his regular season numbers 2-3 years from now.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

What I'm telling you is, he needs to prove his worth in the playoffs, I could care less about whatever excuses you have on your hip about him not making the playoffs.

Until that happens, he isn't who you think he is. It's just a figment of your imagination.

Except he hasn't played in the playoffs, so how could he possibly have lived up to the expectations you've had for him? Are you going to be talking about what he's done during the regular season for the rest of his days?

This isn't about whether or not he'll be trash in the playoffs (the bar is much higher than that), this is about him living up to being this generational megastar you think he is.

You do realize the only way you'll be proven right about him is if he has an extensive postseason resume where he's leading multiple title-contending teams as the centerpiece, right? Not just one year of doing it, or two, I'm talking a sustained period as being the centerpiece, and he's got his team into title contention.

That's what generational superstars, the most dominant players in NBA history and faces of the league do.

Most folks have already, but the ones who're still believing your nonsense will soon tune it out if you're still talking about his regular season numbers 2-3 years from now.

Brandon Ingram has 9 points as the #1 option tonight.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

 

[TM101]

Why is this a Zion vs Wemby debate? Both of them are disappointment in the eyes of fans and the media.