You also said "has yet to dominate anything". You don't get to pick whether it's offense or defense.
Wemby is surely lighting it up and making history in year 2. Damn, wish Zion was this good in year 2.
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Yea I meant to put offensively, my bad.
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As for the point about Wemby's shooting percentages being low right now: James Harden is currently still the GOAT player and he's shooting low percentages this season so far too so, clearly, we can't go off percentages alone when evaluating greatness.
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If the woat says this, the boy is cooked.
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These are France's stats from the Olympics:
LMAO @ SNEAKING THIS IN THERE
LIKE A CASUAL.
THAT nikka THAT DUNKED ON BRON
LED FRANCE TO THE FINALS.
He was also #1 in blocks and #1 in steals.
You're telling me someone who was:
#1 in points
#1 in rebounds
#1 in assists
#1 in steals
#1 in blocks.
Wasn't the player who led France throughout the Olympics?
A player whom anchored them on both sides of the floor? A player whom the offense ran through? A player whom they used as a primary ball-handler? A player whom anchored their defense (once Rudy was benched) to becoming the main reason why they turned their campaign around? A player whom made more momentum-changing plays on both ends of the floor? A player whom France clearly put all their chips on to lead them?
And you have the nerve to call me a casual when your only evidence that Yabusele led them is because he dunked on a Bron. You write your own jokes about yourself.
And here you are telling on yourself.
VIC HALF WHITE THOUGH
SO THIS TYPE OF POST IS EXPECTED FROM YOU
Bringing up that Vic is half white as if I have an agenda or some sort of bias as if stating that he led France during the Olympics is only revealing that your the one with the agenda purely for that reason. Here's a player that led France in every surface stat category, and whom France wanted to revolve their offense and defense around and you think I'm only stating these facts because he's half white? And it's not you with the agenda because he's half white that you're only debating this point?
But gon'head and make another joke that'll get all the casuals to give you cheap daps, to cover up for the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
These are France's stats from the Olympics:
He was also #1 in blocks and #1 in steals.
You're telling me someone who was:
#1 in points
#1 in rebounds
#1 in assists
#1 in steals
#1 in blocks.
Wasn't the player who led France throughout the Olympics?
A player whom anchored them on both sides of the floor? A player whom the offense ran through? A player whom they used as a primary ball-handler? A player whom anchored their defense (once Rudy was benched) to becoming the main reason why they turned their campaign around? A player whom made more momentum-changing plays on both ends of the floor? A player whom France clearly put all their chips on to lead them?
And you have the nerve to call me a casual when your only evidence that Yabusele led them is because he dunked on a Bron. You write your own jokes about yourself.
And here you are telling on yourself.
Bringing up that Vic is half white as if I have an agenda or some sort of bias as if stating that he led France during the Olympics is only revealing that your the one with the agenda purely for that reason. Here's a player that led France in every surface stat category, and whom France wanted to revolve their offense and defense around and you think I'm only stating these facts because he's half white?
But gon'head and make another joke that'll get all the casuals to give you cheap daps, to cover up for the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
LMAO
I KNEW YOU WOULD DO
THIS PREDICTABLE CASUAL shyt
INSTEAD OF DOING REAL HOMEWORK
THEIR NUMBERS ARE SKEWED
DUE TO THE GROUP PHASE
WHEN GOBERT GARBAGE ASS
WAS STILL STARTING AND TAKING
DUKES MINUTES
AS FOR THE ACTUAL ELIMINATION GAMES...
YOU KNOW THE ONES THAT LEAD YOU
TO THE FINALS....
QUARTER FINALS
WEMBY: 2-10 WITH 7 PTS
YABASELE: 6-9 WITH 22 PTS
SEMI FINALS
WEMBY: 4-17 WITH 11 PTS
YABASELE: 7-11 WITH 17 PTS
KICK ROCKS CASUAL
Nobody needs to do any homework to debunk your bullshyt, because you only post purely to further your own agenda, almost entirely of which is protecting the legacy of your namesake and cosplaying Huey P. Newton (which comes off as satire when you play dress up for something as trivial as stan wars in sports).
LMAO
I KNEW YOU WOULD DO
THIS PREDICTABLE CASUAL shyt
INSTEAD OF DOING REAL HOMEWORK
If you made a thread right now asking who was France's best player during the Olympics, it would comprehensively be in favor of Wemby. Would all those folks only be voting for him because he's half white, or because you know, he actually was their best performing player?
To even make that a point of emphasis shows how you can't view this in any objective manner.
This goes against your argument.
THEIR NUMBERS ARE SKEWED
DUE TO THE GROUP PHASE
WHEN GOBERT GARBAGE ASS
WAS STILL STARTING AND TAKING
DUKES MINUTES
If Yabusele was leading them during the Olympics then he would've been leading them from the first game. If Yabusele wasn't getting minutes to start off with than France didn't think he was good enough to lead them; if Yabusele wasn't getting minutes to start off with than he can't have a greater case than someone who did.
You can't pick and choose which games during the Olympics matter, when they all matter, as a whole. You can't penalize Wemby for playing more minutes when that's one of the reasons why he was actually leading them.
All the games matter (after all, you have to win your group games in order to progress to the elimination round).
AS FOR THE ACTUAL ELIMINATION GAMES...
YOU KNOW THE ONES THAT LEAD YOU
TO THE FINALS....
By singling out elimination games, you're twisting the point I was trying to make.
I could care less about this strawman you're fighting against all because a general point I was making about Wemby went right over your head. Even if you want to distort reality and say that he didn't lead them, it still doesn't take away the point of him being a key figure on an Olympic team that went to the Gold medal game, whereas Zion has been part of nothing of consequence.
You took a joke I made about what Wemby was doing during the offseason vs. what Zion was doing during the offseason, and missed the point, altogether.
Out of the six games France had during the Olympics, you cherry pick 33% of the games they played, and you only reference their points scored.
QUARTER FINALS
WEMBY: 2-10 WITH 7 PTS
YABASELE: 6-9 WITH 22 PTS
SEMI FINALS
WEMBY: 4-17 WITH 11 PTS
YABASELE: 7-11 WITH 17 PTS
Are points, in a vacuum, the only thing that matter now?
You don't talk about the defensive attention Wemby received which allowed complementary players like Yabusele to score; you don't talk about how Wemby created offense directly and indirectly for complementary players like Yabusele to score; you don't talk about the other side of the floor which Wemby was anchoring and changing the momemtum of.
And you're out here talking about other cats being casuals when you can't argue anything else but points scored (in two games), without any accompanying context.
You gon' kick the rocks that are ratlling around in your head.
Nobody needs to do any homework to debunk your bullshyt, because you only post purely to further your own agenda, almost entirely of which is protecting the legacy of your namesake and cosplaying Huey P. Newton (which comes off as satire when you play dress up for something as trivial as stan wars in sports).
If you made a thread right now asking who was France's best player during the Olympics, it would comprehensively be in favor of Wemby. Would all those folks only be voting for him because he's half white, or because you know, he actually was their best performing player?
To even make that a point of emphasis shows how you can't view this in any objective manner.
This goes against your argument.
If Yabusele was leading them during the Olympics then he would've been leading them from the first game. If Yabusele wasn't getting minutes to start off with than France didn't think he was good enough to lead them; if Yabusele wasn't getting minutes to start off with than he can't have a greater case than someone who did.
You can't pick and choose which games during the Olympics matter, when they all matter, as a whole. You can't penalize Wemby for playing more minutes when that's one of the reasons why he was actually leading them.
All the games matter (after all, you have to win your group games in order to progress to the elimination round).
By singling out elimination games, you're twisting the point I was trying to make.
I could care less about this strawman you're fighting against all because a general point I was making about Wemby went right over your head. Even if you want to distort reality and say that he didn't lead them, it still doesn't take away the point of him being a key figure on an Olympic team that went to the Gold medal game, whereas Zion has been part of nothing of consequence.
You took a joke I made about what Wemby was doing during the offseason vs. what Zion was doing during the offseason, and missed the point, altogether.
Out of the six games France had during the Olympics, you cherry pick 33% of the games they played, and you only reference their points scored.
Are points, in a vacuum, the only thing that matter now?
You don't talk about the defensive attention Wemby received which allowed complementary players like Yabusele to score; you don't talk about how Wemby created offense directly and indirectly for complementary players like Yabusele to score; you don't talk about the other side of the floor which Wemby was anchoring and changing the momemtum of.
And you're out here talking about other cats being casuals when you can't argue anything else but points scored (in two games), without any accompanying context.
You gon' kick the rocks that are ratlling around in your head.
IM NOT READING ANY OF THAT shyt nikka.YOU LOST CASUAL.
KICK ROCKS
Of course, you didn't read it.
YOU LOST CASUAL.
KICK ROCKS
I don't expect you to acknowledge your own bullshyt. You've kept it up on this board for over a decade, it would be all for nothing if you admitted fault now.
Except this isn't true, at all.An arbitrary amount of rebounds?
He could easily grab 3-4 rebounds a game where he's stealing them off his teammates, who're already in position to grab the rebound, and him grabbing them doesn't affect the game. And casuals like you wouldn't know the difference. No different to how cats fell over themselves to praise Westbrook's rebounding, despite the fact he was sacrificing defensive assignments just so he could stay close to the paint and grab rebounds which would've otherwise fallen to his teammates.
Rebounds, sure, they're important, but they're no more important than a lot of actions during a game that aren't in the box score.
I'd take what he's doing on the defensive side as a whole, rather than just looking at rebounds, which are not only a small part of that side of the floor, but can at times be a misleading stat if you're not applying the appropriate context.
He's arguably the best rim protecter, he's already one of the best coverage defenders (which means less time hanging around the paint to grab rebounds), and he's already one of the most active defenders in the league (which means less energy to be used to grab rebounds) - that matters a whole a lot more than grabbing an extra 3-4 boards and being another Sabonis, whom despite eats up every board in sight, doesn't really have any other notable defensive worth.
When you weigh up how many rebounds he averages, they're not all that different to other elite big men this season:
Wemby - 9.6 boards in 30.8 minutes
Rudy - 9.9 boards in 32.6 minutes
AD - 11.6 boards in 36.3 minutes.
If he was playing 35-36 minutes a game, he'd be averaging more rebounds and you wouldn't even be bringing this up, let alone calling it a crime.
Furthermore, he averaged 10.6 rebounds in fewer minutes last season across 71 games, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to frame your argument around what he's done across nine games this year, without also taking into account what he did last season. The numbers will regulate the more the season goes on.
Besides that, he's still growing into a body that is in need of filling out and getting stronger, so the level of expectation should be adjusted to follow that when it comes to something like rebounding.
Nobody is above criticism.I’m not worried about the kid, he’s only 20 and he will average a double-double for the next decade and be one of the top 5-10 players in the league but don’t act like we can’t criticize his game when he’s not being consistent and has been practically “crowned”. He needs to go out and show us EVERY night. And I’ve watched 5-6 Spurs games and last nights game against the Blazers. Despite the win, he still played like shyt. This nikka always talking like he the only one who watch hoops
But calling it a crime because he's not averaging x-amount of rebounds is pure box score talk and nothing else. It means nothing. I was merely pointing that out, not that you can't critique his play.
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When have I ever shytted on Zion for not getting rebounds? I rarely ever criticize any player when it comes to rebounding, in that sense. In fact, most of the time when I criticize a player's rebounding, it's because they're grabbing a rebound over doing something else of greater value.
Nxgga, when are you gonna stop lying on my name?
I couldn't give a fukk about Zion's rebounding. It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Now you're just arguing in bad faith.
Wemby has just started his second season, whereas Zion is in his 5th year. Nothing hypocritical about judging the development and play of a 5th year player differently to someone in their second year.
And that thread that I made is no different to what I've been saying about his game since the beginning, so those games I pointed out this season are a reflection of how his game is still limited, and that when you take away his only avenue of offense he doesn't have anything else to rely on. If Wemby only has one source of offense during his 5th season, than I'd hope everyone (including myself) would hold his feet to the fire, and not make excuses for him like you're doing with Zion.
