“Wealthy Black Americans DO NOT like messing with poor Black Folks in general! Classism divides us!”

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Black Americans have the same tribe, same dna? Do you know anything about us? We have no tribes, our dna is a mix of many different nations, but the bulk of it being African ethnicities. We are tied together by our shared experience and the history of how our Ancestors got here.

I am still amazed how you went with this idea that we have a tribe and all share the same DNA. That is preposterous. Hell, we have people posting their DNA here, and you can see we have different mixtures in different amounts.
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so aggressive for no reason

you don't like when people agree with you about Nigeria and piggyback off what you say? :jbhmm:

are nigerians not the most smug toward poor people?
It’s not only Nigeria. How can you look at the sons of African presidents who have penthouses in New York, hear a Kwame Toure say that about Africa and decide that Nigeria must be isolated? Please answer that.

You are not here in good faith or to the benefit of Africa. You are here to isolate Nigeria because that’s what many Africans do. When push comes to shove “it’s those people “… No longer an African problem.

This is why African unity is a lie
 

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Of course you would resort to a smiley. You are just demonstrating your ignorance, by not recognizing that your assertion about my people was completely ill-informed.
every african american dna consist of majority west african(specifically the guinea forrest area), minor-majority central africa with a 10-15% north western european. only few have 1-2% native american. when i say origins, i mean here. your enithnity literally started here in america. in the american south with the same history
 

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And let’s get something straight, dusty niqqa….. This is my direct descendent and bloodline, Lafogido.
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I am proud to be one of the handful members of the black race to say that I can trace my family line back 1000 years. I can trace members of my line who were taken away on slave ships. And that makes me richer than any Peckerwood or most people on this planet. I’m glad I can stick that in the faces of these bigots when given the chance. Gives my kids the opportunity to say “yeah. That’s us.” And that makes me richer than any dollar number. Yet here is a fellow black man tearing that shyt down.

fukk outta here.

You don’t know what wealth is
That gets you nothing in life there’s billions of people who can do the same shyt
 

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every african american dna consist of majority west african(specifically the guinea forrest area), minor-majority central africa with a 10-15% north western european. only few have 1-2% native american. when i say origins, i mean here. your enithnity literally started here in america. in the american south with the same history

Which still makes you incorrect, because those mixtures are no where near the same as the DNA of similar tribe members or even different tribe members in similar areas. Example Igbo and Yorubas DNA is more similar than the DNA of different African Americans.


"Are Yoruba and Igbo genetically related?


The two Niger–Congo groups, Yoruba and Igbo, are paternally genetically correlated with populations from the same ethnolinguistic affiliation. Meanwhile, the Hausa is paternally closer to other Afro-Asiatic populations and presented a high diversity of lineages from across Africa. "

So going your logic, they would both be considered 1 tribe.
 

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Which still makes you incorrect, because those mixtures are no where near the same as the DNA of similar tribe members or even different tribe members in similar areas. Example Igbo and Yorubas DNA is more similar than the DNA of different African Americans.


"Are Yoruba and Igbo genetically related?


The two Niger–Congo groups, Yoruba and Igbo, are paternally genetically correlated with populations from the same ethnolinguistic affiliation. Meanwhile, the Hausa is paternally closer to other Afro-Asiatic populations and presented a high diversity of lineages from across Africa. "


So going your logic, they would both be considered 1 tribe.
okay, so what about igbo and a kunari

or a yoruba and nigerian fulani
 

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okay, so what about igbo and a kunari

or a yoruba and nigerian fulani
I do not need to go any farther, you need to prove your assertion now that my people are the same genetically, when we are not. You are the one who made the error in logic, and I just proved your error. Your addition of other groups matter not, when all it takes is one other tribe to prove your assertion wrong about my ethnicity.
 

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I do not need to go any farther, you need to prove your assertion now that my people are the same genetically, when we are not. You are the one who made the error in logic, and I just proved your error. Your addition of other groups matter not, when all it takes is one other tribe to prove your assertion wrong about my ethnicity.
I literally broke down to you your DNA a post ago :heh:
You guys are more closer culturally, genetically, origin wise, historical wise than any West African country.
Don't know what's there to argue about.
 

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I’m wrong because I agreed with Kwame Toure speech where he contrasted the wealth division between what he saw in black America and in Africa that I’m now witnessing?

In that same speech, he describes how the black American bourgeoisie helped destroy the civil rights movement of the 1960s. No group of people are free of pockmarks the problem with many Africans that you want to hide face and don’t have these honest discussions. I have to police myself to not be annoyed when a kid who looks like my youngest son is knocking on my window begging for money when I’m here. I don’t want to get used to that climate and atmosphere. The classism here in Africa is the worst and most corrupt in the world. I’m not going to cast aside my life experience for your comfort.

It’s really annoying… You got dumb ass black Americans who shyt on me for not having royal money and dumbass Africans who want to save face and dont like to hear the truth about what’s going on.

No matter where I’m at, I am on the outside looking in between many of you mofos and it’s tiring
No, the issue is, you perpetuate hate against your own people. You literally had an example of it and spazzed out and then used that moment to try and foment even further hate. A person can speak the truth on an issue and do so with nuance. When one doesn't they perpetuate prejudice and ultimately violence against their own. When you don't speak with nuance, don't expect others to either. It's not my comfort I'm concerned about (how often do I even come to this board to be bothered lol). I'm a black man that lives in a world where a decent portion, even those that look like me, want me dead swinging from a noose tied to a tree. What's one more person who feel this way to me? You're just a another person. What I am concerned about is how kids will have to deal with people spouting this stuff. It will affect them because people will use that lack of nuance as an excuse to dehumanize. Oh well.

That said, as someone who has been to other parts of the world, and has interacted with and lived with many different kinds of people, the classism in Africa is not as bad as it is in many other places. And I say this as someone who actually has lived in many parts of Africa, not just a part of Nigeria and projecting that issue on to the rest of a whole continent. Talk to non-black people in Africa who know the history of Africa and they will still have some stories to tell you about their home countries in that regard.

Should I be quiet when I now am in Africa and see what real classism means?

I grew up black and broke in America. I come here and suddenly I’m upper class and I see how the upper class views the lower class here. I’m not going to shut my mouth for your comfort.
Classism exists everywhere and has existed for centuries. We're not too far removed from many other groups, white people especially, viewing poor people as being inferior down to their very souls (many still hold on to this idea). As many people have said, a lot of people, not just black people, are on some classism bullshyt. This is why it is seen as a general issue and not a black or African issue primarily. It's stupid to think otherwise.
 

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This brand of “Classism” is rooted in idolization of whiteness (or rooted in anti-blackness, if we really wanna take it there). Any time I hear middle-upper class black people try to separate themselves from working class black people, they always refer to the worst negative stereotypes to justify their outlook.

If people really cared about the betterment of black people, raising the floor would be just as important as raising the ceiling. Instead, a lot of people get to climb a couple story’s and then put the middle finger up at people stuck on the basement whilst sounding exactly like a white person.

Nope. This brand of classism is mostly rooted in the fact that "the floor" in 2024 is abysmal and all the efforts to raise the floor since the civil rights movement have failed to raise the vibration of certain elements of the black community. And unfortunately those certain elements of the community tend to be the trendsetters for far too many black folks. Just as a simple example, to go from Malcolm X and MLK to Drill rap is absolutely pathetic but there are people right here on this board that'll co-sign the clowns that push that poison to the masses. And it goes much deeper than music, there are way too many behaviors and mindsets that are keeping people stuck and moving backwards but yet are widely accepted in the community. Some of these people are simply too bought in to a "culture" that's unsuccessful by almost any metric, look at financials, relationships and family building, general health etc, it's clear there's a lot that needs changing. Unfortunately, too many folks have no interest in changing, and you'll waste all your time money and energy, and maybe your life, trying to pull them up.

But since you mentioned it, I'm curious, how exactly are you proposing to raise the floor? What are you doing in your daily life currently to raise the floor for all black people? And what is your master plan to get the entire black community on track to change their behaviors, together?
 

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It’s not only Nigeria. How can you look at the sons of African presidents who have penthouses in New York, hear a Kwame Toure say that about Africa and decide that Nigeria must be isolated? Please answer that.

You are not here in good faith or to the benefit of Africa. You are here to isolate Nigeria because that’s what many Africans do. When push comes to shove “it’s those people “… No longer an African problem.

This is why African unity is a lie


Something like this an I'm out✌🏾

 
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