“Wealthy Black Americans DO NOT like messing with poor Black Folks in general! Classism divides us!”

[NYC Rebel]

No, the issue is, you perpetuate hate against your own people.

I want the poor to toss out the African bourgeoisie as stated by Kwame.


What the fukk can people here do about the African bourgeoisie?

fukk outta here, idiot. africans have to take care of this amongst themselves,

Busy sounding like some cac who thinks “bringing up racism causes hate.”

 

[High Art]

I want the poor to toss out the African bourgeoisie as stated by Kwame.


What the fukk can people here do about the African bourgeoisie?

fukk outta here, idiot. africans have to take care of this amongst themselves

The only idiot here is you. None of what you've stated will be fixed by speaking on Africans without nuance to the eyes of non-Africans.

I've said it before. Too many black people would sooner die than speak with nuance on their own people. One can criticize without casting a wide and obscenely stupid net that emboldens other non-black groups to attack black people.

 

[Hoodoo Child]

Rich or Poor, I just don't wanna be around people who threaten my existence. Take that as you will..

 

[OnlyOneBoss]

It’s true But why should they?


I mean classism is a problem for sure but why are black folks expected to engage with the lower class more than other groups?

Nobody cares that Brett on Wall Street doesn’t fukk with his redneck fent addicted ass family in West Virginia in fact folks give him props for going to college and leaving all that shyt behind him and never turning back.

But a black breh goes to college and never goes back to his poor ass rural town where nothing changes and nothing happens is somehow a problem.

 

[3rdWorld]

So is this where all the Tether babble emanates from?

 

[EA]

Nope. This brand of classism is mostly rooted in the fact that "the floor" in 2024 is abysmal and all the efforts to raise the floor since the civil rights movement have failed to raise the vibration of certain elements of the black community. And unfortunately those certain elements of the community tend to be the trendsetters for far too many black folks. Just as a simple example, to go from Malcolm X and MLK to Drill rap is absolutely pathetic but there are people right here on this board that'll co-sign the clowns that push that poison to the masses. And it goes much deeper than music, there are way too many behaviors and mindsets that are keeping people stuck and moving backwards but yet are widely accepted in the community. Some of these people are simply too bought in to a "culture" that's unsuccessful by almost any metric, look at financials, relationships and family building, general health etc, it's clear there's a lot that needs changing. Unfortunately, too many folks have no interest in changing, and you'll waste all your time money and energy, and maybe your life, trying to pull them up.

But since you mentioned it, I'm curious, how exactly are you proposing to raise the floor? What are you doing in your daily life currently to raise the floor for all black people? And what is your master plan to get the entire black community on track to change their behaviors, together?

You’re conflating what gets pushed by the media (traditional, internet or otherwise) with what most working class black people actually represent. The average working class black person’s main concern is being able to keep a job in order to pay their bills whilst raising a family. Rather than generalizing working class people as drill music glorifying, broken family creating people that need to be left behind, we should acknowledge the fact that most black people just want to be able to survive in an increasingly more expensive economy.

There is a conversation that needs to be had about what we consume via the media though. A lot of mediums are pushing content and imagery of black people that is detrimental and -ish but we need to remember that those images don’t represent the large majority of black people. There’s a lot more that needs to be done than simply calling it out and demonizing it though because you can’t force people to not watch or create the kinda content we’re talking about.

As far as what I do to help raise the floor - I help out with community programs ran by people I know, I‘ve gone back to my old school to talk about how what kinda careers you can obtain with a Maths degree, I regularly utilize my corporate network to get people interviews/jobs and I’ve got an open door policy with my stepson and his cousins/friends that they can come to me for education/career advice.

On top that, my dad uses his position as an MD in a global consultancy company to practice nepotism and regularly hires people he knows, hire their kids or get kids from the community set up with summer internships. My Mrs uses her position as an assistant principal at her school to work with the at-risk families to ensure their kids can thrive in school.

For the record, nothing I’ve stated above is particularly special but if everyone that has done well for themselves had the same mindset, you would tangibly see the floor raise due to young black people having access to information that was unavailable to previous generations. Instead, we get finger wagging and holier than thou attitudes that doesn’t serve anyone. Rhetoric like Bill Cosby’s Pound Cake speech does more harm than good.

 

[InkosiYe]

You’re conflating what gets pushed by the media (traditional, internet or otherwise) with what most working class black people actually represent. The average working class black person’s main concern is being able to keep a job in order to pay their bills whilst raising a family. Rather than generalizing working class people as drill music glorifying, broken family creating people that need to be left behind, we should acknowledge the fact that most black people just want to be able to survive in an increasingly more expensive economy.

There is a conversation that needs to be had about what we consume via the media though. A lot of mediums are pushing content and imagery of black people that is detrimental and -ish but we need to remember that those images don’t represent the large majority of black people. There’s a lot more that needs to be done than simply calling it out and demonizing it though because you can’t force people to not watch or create the kinda content we’re talking about.

As far as what I do to help raise the floor - I help out with community programs ran by people I know, I‘ve gone back to my old school to talk about how what kinda careers you can obtain with a Maths degree, I regularly utilize my corporate network to get people interviews/jobs and I’ve got an open door policy with my stepson and his cousins/friends that they can come to me for education/career advice.

On top that, my dad uses his position as an MD in a global consultancy company to practice nepotism and regularly hires people he knows, hire their kids or get kids from the community set up with summer internships. My Mrs uses her position as an assistant principal at her school to work with the at-risk families to ensure their kids can thrive in school.

For the record, nothing I’ve stated above is particularly special but if everyone that has done well for themselves had the same mindset, you would tangibly see the floor raise due to young black people having access to information that was unavailable to previous generations. Instead, we get finger wagging and holier than thou attitudes that doesn’t serve anyone. Rhetoric like Bill Cosby’s Pound Cake speech does more harm than good.

First off I applaud the work you and your family are doing, much respect. Most people that talk like you are doing a whole lot of nothing in real life so it’s good to see you’re putting work in.

Now with that said, as far as the “large majority” of black people not being represented by the images we see presented in the media, I disagree. I actually think the large majority of black people, whether they live that life or not, give entirely too much airtime to the bs and identify with it far more than they should. There’s a backwards mentality even with folks who didn’t grow up anywhere near the bottom, because the “culture” dictates that “real” blackness is defined by all the dumb shyt you hear in the music, on love and hip hop, etc, and your proximity to the streets. We just saw LeBron welcoming home Big Meech on Twitter, for what bruh? Why is that the move? At what point do some of these folks stop glorifying hood shyt? Do you ever see Asian folks moving like this? Indian? Arab? White? Is there any other race that glorifies its lowest members like black culture does? You talk about all these working class black people but do people actually grow up wanting to be that? Is that a life path that the black youth are overwhelmingly told to aim for? Are those people represented positively in media? And do those people get the same respect in the community that degenerates like Lil Durk get?

I grew up in an area that I believe may still be statistically the wealthiest black area in the nation and the amount of absolute dumb shyt I’ve seen coming from young black men and women, many of which grew up in two parent households, would blow your mind.

I can think of one kid in particular, parents had money, lived in a large 5 bedroom crib in the area, but you never would have guessed it the way he moved. Wanted to be a up and coming local rapper, got into a lot of local “street” shyt, long story short dude gets shot dead at a bus stop before his 21st birthday. His older sister is currently a doctor, married, and by all accounts seems to be living a good life. Same family, same house, same opportunities. But that’s what buying into the bullshyt aspects of the “culture” does, it’s literally destroying folks’ lives out here. And I have a lot of stories not too far off from this, it’s pitiful.

So while I applaud the work that you’re doing, the reality is that black people are continuing to fall behind in America and I think the “culture” plays a large part in that. The average salary of black men has always been lower than white men but it’s actually widening in recent years despite all the opportunity available. The single mother rate in the black community has only increased over the years, close to 75% last time I checked. And check the statistics on children’s achievement coming out of single parent households. Essentially 75% of the black youth are starting their lives with a handicap. Immigration is going crazy in America and Black people are on their way to becoming a permanent underclass. This is not a pound cake speech, this is reality. Black folks are not trending in the right direction and it’s in large part due to the ideas and behaviors that are prevalent throughout the culture, period.

So the reality is, when people decide to separate themselves from the community and only congregate with like minded people, the suggestion that it’s about idealizing “whiteness” is laughable. It’s about idealizing progressive thoughts and behaviors and not buying into or being influenced by the same bs that’s continuing to mislead and handicap black folks’ lives year in and year out.

 

[Cat piss martini]

broke nikkas steal.

 

[Mission249]

So the reality is, when people decide to separate themselves from the community and only congregate with like minded people, the suggestion that it’s about idealizing “whiteness” is laughable.

This is actually the most difficult part to overcome. The pigeon holing of blackness is so complete that many of the most vocal "pro black" people will do the work for white supremacy and not even realize it.

So, for example, if a young black woman was to say something like "I think twerking is stupid and weird", she'd get called a self hating c00n. But if a white said the same thing about line dancing or polka nobody bats and eye.

It's as if whites are allowed to be anything they want and only their diversity matters.