Wealth gap between whites and African Americans has tripled over last 25 years

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I'm saying. In these "wealth" studies cash on hand isn't considered an asset. In my opinion cash on hand is much more valuable than having a paid for car, home, etc, or having a bunch of money tied up in investments.

The super rich get richer during an economic downturn, but for the rest of us having cash on hand is a much better safety net than owning a car, home, etc.

That's why when the recession hit and people lost all their investments, savings, etc they were ready to commit that and some did. While those who had cash money saved up were able to ride it out and live comfortably.

breh you are just plain wrong, cash is considered an asset, and the more assets you have the more you are able to survive a downturn

this notion of separating cash from assets is something you are inventing, when wealth is measured cash is included in that measurement

and there is no evidence that black people or poor people have more cash, so i dont even know where you are going with that, cash goes hand in hand with investments and other assets meaning that those who have investments also tend to have more cash, so there is no point in separating the 2
 

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im reading my post again to make sure i wasnt crazy, i reread it and i clearly stated that public housing is not the main issue causing the wealth gap, so why are you asserting that i am saying its a central issue

im simply saying it is an issue that has to be taken into account even if its not the central issue

im totally befuddled how black people moving from dwindling public housing in expensive cities to cheaper places in the south is somehow going against my theory, it completely supports my theory that we should get rid of public housing and move to cheaper areas where we can buy property instead of living for generations in public housing we do not own that stifle our economic and individual freedom

please read my posts and respond to what i actually said not to what i said in your imagination
You dont have to get rid of public housing to get black people to buy houses. There are way more black homeowners (17.8 million) than blacks in public housing (4 million). Public housing serves a purpose and while its not perfect is not very high on our list of problems.

And I took public housing as a central theme to your theory because it was your first response to the article. If it wasnt that important or central to your theory on black wealth you would have said something else :yeshrug:
 

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:mindblown: have you ever looked at a balance sheet

Asset = liabilities + Equity

If you owe 20k and the car is worth 20k, then you have an asset an liability worth 20k
No, your net worth is zero. If you sell the car you will not make a dime, because you have to pay it off. And since the bank owns the car its value doesn't factor into your balance sheet.

A balance sheet isn't of much use if you don't know simple arithmetic :pachaha:
 

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It's the way "wealth" is definined in this country.

LMAO!!

Wealth is defined by the value of your assets. Cash is an asset. You're just making shyt up at this point up.

No, your net worth is zero. If you sell the car you will not make a dime, because you have to pay it off. And since the bank owns the car its value doesn't factor into your balance sheet.

A balance sheet isn't of much use if you don't know simple arithmetic :pachaha:

Net Worth and Equity are essentially the same thing so he said nothing wrong.

Asset = liabilities + Equity/Net Worth
20k = 20k + x
20k -20k = x
x =0.
 

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No, your net worth is zero. If you sell the car you will not make a dime, because you have to pay it off. And since the bank owns the car its value doesn't factor into your balance sheet.

A balance sheet isn't of much use if you don't know simple arithmetic :pachaha:

:rudy: you have an asset for for the cost of the car minus depreciation

You have a liability for the amount due on the loan

The post i quoted said if you owe on car you don't have an asset and that is wrong
 

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You dont have to get rid of public housing to get black people to buy houses. There are way more black homeowners (17.8 million) than blacks in public housing (4 million). Public housing serves a purpose and while its not perfect is not very high on our list of problems.

And I took public housing as a central theme to your theory because it was your first response to the article. If it wasnt that important or central to your theory on black wealth you would have said something else :yeshrug:

i didnt say you have to get rid of public housing to get black people to buy houses, i said that public housing discourages home ownership

there are bunch of things you can do to increase home ownership and those things should be what black people fight for, black people shouldn't fight for public housing

what i said is that public housing is an issue that plays a part in home ownership

you took it as a central theme because you have low reading comprehension and an active imagination
 

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I love black people but we are out of excuses. We consume a large amount of goods, but we don't save anything. The wealth gap is widening because we make the SAME fiscally poor decisions that our ancestors made. It's not like we don't know the outcome of those decisions.

You shouldnt conflate factors with excuses. There are many factors that have contributed to the wealth gap between the races, and its a gap that has been close to five centuries in the making. No, the gap doesnt owe its distance to the fact that black people are simply irresponsible, and spend all their money on fried chicken, malt liquor, and rims.

Its not that white people are inherently more responsible and enterprising, its that they largely have far more resources to work with, in great amounts, which insulate them from the traps that people of color largely fall into. Even if a black man or woman does all the right things, if one comes from poverty, its a constant high wire act where a slip can be financially fatal. These are variables, talked about in the articles posted, that many whites never have to concern themselves with --- and thats not even talking about discrimination in hiring, loans, etc, which further divide.

If anything, we should re-orient towards an eastern way of thinking rather than a western way. The western way deems that one leaves the house at 18. Thats great for whites, because they have a vast collection of resources to draw from --- they're ready. The eastern way, doesnt have a strict timetable. Thats why many Asian househoulds have children in their 30s living w/ the mother and father until they are financially stable enough to move out. This is additionally why Asian households compete with white households as a collective, but not per capita individual basis (racism)

Sure, if we ran a mile race and you started a half mile ahead I still have a chance --- but you cant eliminate that as a factor for why I always come up short.
 

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I said car note in the first post and you're right it was a mistake. I didn't notice that.

But I didn't say it in the post she quoted and I even reiterated that I wasn't talking about a car loans in two posts after that.

yeah but your whole point is wrong, wealth studies take cash into account, i have no idea where you get the idea that it doesnt, i think you are making that up or simply have a profound misunderstanding
 

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breh you are just plain wrong, cash is considered an asset, and the more assets you have the more you are able to survive a downturn

this notion of separating cash from assets is something you are inventing, when wealth is measured cash is included in that measurement

and there is no evidence that black people or poor people have more cash, so i dont even know where you are going with that, cash goes hand in hand with investments and other assets meaning that those who have investments also tend to have more cash, so there is no point in separating the 2

In these studies cash is considered a liquid asset homes are considered "fixed" assets. When they say who is more or less wealthy "fixed assets" hold more weight than liquid assets.

Do you disagree that a person with 50k in their pocket is better off than the person who has a car worth 50k?

And I said black people are more likely to have cash on hand than ownership or "fixed" assets which is why we always do poorly in these studies.
 

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i didnt say you have to get rid of public housing to get black people to buy houses, i said that public housing discourages home ownership

there are bunch of things you can do to increase home ownership and those things should be what black people fight for, black people shouldn't fight for public housing

what i said is that public housing is an issue that plays a part in home ownership

you took it as a central theme because you have low reading comprehension and an active imagination
Naw, this is what you said

This is another reason why projects and public housing hurt black people and they should be eliminated

It seems you have the active imagination, friend :50holmes: :ld:

Also pretty amusing how eager you are to launch into personal attacks. We are just exchanging viewpoints and ideas, don't take it personally :yeshrug:
 

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yeah but your whole point is wrong, wealth studies take cash into account, i have no idea where you get the idea that it doesnt, i think you are making that up or simply have a profound misunderstanding

None of these studies talk about income or cash. They all talk about owning homes and investments. As far as these studies are concerned. A person that owns nothing yet has 50k in their pocket is less wealthy than the person that owns a $50k home.
 

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You shouldnt conflate factors with excuses. There are many factors that have contributed to the wealth gap between the races, and its a gap that has been close to five centuries in the making. No, the gap doesnt owe its distance to the fact that black people are simply irresponsible, and spend all their money on fried chicken, malt liquor, and rims.

Its not that white people are inherently more responsible and enterprising, its that they largely have far more resources to work with, in great amounts, which insulate them from the traps that people of color largely fall into. Even if a black man or woman does all the right things, if one comes from poverty, its a constant high wire act where a slip can be financially fatal. These are variables, talked about in the articles posted, that many whites never have to concern themselves with --- and thats not even talking about discrimination in hiring, loans, etc, which further divide.

If anything, we should re-orient towards an eastern way of thinking rather than a western way. The western way deems that one leaves the house at 18. Thats great for whites, because they have a vast collection of resources to draw from --- they're ready. The eastern way, doesnt have a strict timetable. Thats why many Asian househoulds have children in their 30s living w/ the mother and father until they are financially stable enough to move out. This is additionally why Asian households compete with white households as a collective, but not per capita individual basis (racism)

Sure, if we ran a mile race and you started a half mile ahead I still have a chance --- but you cant eliminate that as a factor for why I always come up short.

To pretend as if we can't build wealth with the resources available to us is a detrimental way of thinking. Not every wealthy person was born wealthy but they decided to do smart things with their money and that's what we need to do to. Plus building wealth is a LONG TERM effort and not a lot of us want to wait years to see results. We want to get rich as quickly as possible which ends up putting up deeper into the hole.

We can't keep comparing ourselves to white people in terms of where we are, but there is a lesson to be learned in how to build wealth and set the next generation up. There are no excuses this point.
 
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