We Really Need Strong, Intellectual, Healthy Black Men To Become "Cool"

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That shyt was only poppin predominately in the south , back then nikkas would ridicule you if you was tamperin with that shyt upnorth now it's widespread in all regions . Like I said what OP is saying might not be 100% accurate to you but at the end of the day it isn't far fetched from the truth you just have a tendency to start unnecessary disputes :manny:

That quote you're responding too was the classic "bu bu but white people do it too!!!" defense. The same group of ppl who has PLENTY of positive images of themself in the media for their youth to look up to. Does the black youth have that same benefit/luxury?
 

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So basically, you want to act belligerently towards a group of people, but don't want to deal with the consequences.
It won't be a debate that's the problem with that approach, because essentially (and ignorantly depending on the individual's perspective) your end game is to mock one's person at their expense and for one's own egotistical gain.
Once again , you're over analyzing the whole situation maybe son is talking about it because he see's the effect is has on the youth in his area and he's genuinely concerned , you claim that all of our responses purposes is for egoistically gain when that's exactly what your doing right now , belittling everyone for making an observation that's so evident to make yourself feel intelligent , you knew what you were expecting when you clicked his thread yet you decided too come in anyway :pachaha: Either you're out of touch , trolling or in sheer denial .
 

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That shyt was only poppin predominately in the south , back then nikkas would ridicule you if you was tamperin with that shyt like that upnorth now it's widespread in all regions . Like I said what OP is saying might not be 100% accurate to you but at the end of the day it isn't far fetched from the truth you just have a tendency to start unnecessary disputes :manny:

You have the hilarious tendency other than childlike myopic talking points, to add nothing to a conversation what so ever. And no, the abuse of pharmaceutical drugs wasn't only poppin in the south.

In 2011, 52 million people in the US age 12+ had used prescription drugs nonmedically at least once in their lifetime, 6.2 million in the past month.

Twelve reasons teens use prescription drugs:8
  1. 62%: Easy to get from parent's medicine cabinets
  2. 52%: Available everywhere
  3. 51%: They are not illegal drugs
  4. 50%: Easy to get through other people's prescriptions
  5. 49%: Can claim to have prescription if caught
  6. 43%: They are cheap
  7. 35%: Safer to use than illegal drugs
  8. 33%: Less shame attached to using
  9. 32%: Easy to purchase over the internet
  10. 32%: Fewer side effects than street drugs
  11. 25%: Can be used as study aids
  12. 21%: Parents don't care as much if caught

http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-to...ping-pills-prescription-drug-abuse-in-america

:ohhh: Huh, that's weird, wonder why 2chainz and Fredo having them in their music videos/songs isn't on the list.

But what the fukk do I know :yeshrug: I'm just a hateful idiot, because I can smell and not fall for the okie doke, like most people.
 

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You have the hilarious tendency other than childlike myopic talking points, to add nothing to a conversation what so ever. And no, the abuse of pharmaceutical drugs wasn't only poppin in the south.



:ohhh: Huh, that's weird, wonder why 2chainz and Fredo having them in their music videos/songs isn't on the list.

But what the fukk do I know :yeshrug: I'm just a hateful idiot, because I can smell and not fall for the okie doke, like most people.
Where the percentage of black teens using it though because I would have sworn that's what this thread is pertaining too :ohhh:

:mjlol: at this wack ass attempt , you claim my responses are childish yet you act oblivious to the key variables that are argued in this thread . Commendable troll game though :ehh:
 
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So basically, you want to act belligerently towards a group of people, but don't want to deal with the consequences.
If those consequences is less kids following drug rappers ways then I'll deal with it happily.
 

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Where the percentage of black teens using it though because I would have sworn that's what this thread is pertaining too :ohhh:

:mjlol: at this wack ass attempt

Oh you mean the thread that tries to not come off as disingenuous, but resorts to the same nonsensical fukkery and rhetoric that white people have been saying about black music since the 50's?

@PhonZhi still waiting for those positive black role models for you to post. Don't keep us in suspense.

Also

TUESDAY, Aug. 20 (HealthDay News) — Hispanic teens are more likely to abuse illegal and legal drugs than their black or white peers, a new report finds.

Fifty-four percent of Hispanic teens surveyed said they had used an illicit drug, compared with 45 percent of black teens and 43 percent of white teens.

“Hispanic kids in grades nine to 12 are at higher risk,” said Sean Clarkin, director of strategy and programs at The Partnership at Drugfree.org, the nonprofit group that released the report Tuesday.

Hispanic children perceive these drugs as less harmful than other teens, he said.

Why is that? “They see drug use among their peers and in their community, and the messages they are not getting from their parents — these all may be contributing to this feeling that drug use is normal,” Clarkin said.

The survey found that 62 percent of Hispanic teens have been offered drugs — including Ecstasy, crack/cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine — at least once, compared with 53 percent of white teens and 46 percent of black teens.

And schools are not drug-free zones, the report suggested. Forty-two percent of Hispanic teens have been offered drugs at school, compared with 30 percent of white teens and 28 percent of black teens.

Conducted yearly, the latest survey included responses from nearly 3,900 teens and more than 800 parents questioned in 2012.

In many cases, when it comes to teen drug use, parents aren’t communicating disapproval, especially when it comes to marijuana, Clarkin noted.

According to the report, 21 percent of Hispanic parents “think it’s OK if their teen smokes marijuana sometimes,” compared with 11 percent of black parents and 6 percent of white parents.

In addition, 28 percent of Hispanic parents say using prescription drugs is safer than using street drugs, compared with 20 percent of black parents and 9 percent of white parents.

“Many parents feel there is nothing they can do; it’s really the responsibility of the school. And parents are at a loss for what to say or what to do,” Clarkin said.

“Parents, however, underestimate the influence and leverage that they have with their kids,” he said. “The attitude of parents is often ‘that’s what kids do, I did it and I’m fine, so don’t worry,’ but the reality is the sooner action is taken, the lower the chance that this is going to develop into something problematic.”

On the plus side, the report found that 85 percent of Hispanic parents know that teens who start using drugs and alcohol are more likely to have substance abuse problems later on. This awareness was seen in 74 percent of white parents and 73 percent of black parents.

Moreover, 94 percent of Hispanic parents say they are likely to take action when they find out their child uses drugs or alcohol at home. That compares with 93 percent of black parents and 86 percent of white parents, according to the report.

“It’s all about parental guidance,” said Dr. Metee Comkornruecha, at the department of adolescent medicine at Miami Children’s Hospital. “It’s about educating kids and changing views on drugs — not seeing them as harmless, but as potentially causing abuse.”

  • 47 percent of Hispanic teens used marijuana, compared with 39 percent of black teens and 36 percent of white teens.
  • 13 percent of Hispanic teens used Ecstasy, compared with 8 percent of black teens and 6 percent of white teens.
  • 13 percent of Hispanic teens used cocaine, compared with 8 percent of black teens and 3 percent of white teens.
  • 62 percent of Hispanic teens drank alcohol, compared with 59 percent of white teens and 50 percent of black teens.
  • 24 percent of Hispanic teens say they see frequent drug use in their communities, compared with 15 percent of white teens and 24 percent of black teens.
  • 26 percent of Hispanic teens have abused or misused a prescription drug, compared with 15 percent for white or black teens.
  • 16 percent of Hispanic teens have mixed alcohol with abusing prescription drugs, compared with 11 percent of white teens and 6 percent of black teens.
  • 10 percent of Hispanic teens abused over-the-counter cough medicine in the past year, compared with 5 percent for both white and black teens.

http://news.health.com/2013/08/20/hispanic-teens-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-survey/

commence to calling me mad, taking this too seriously, cac, c00n, agent and other buzzwords and empty phrases you can muster.:snooze:
 

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OP has good intentions but didnt think this thread thru.

wheres the cool intellectual rappers at? you cant put cool labels on anybody just off GP.

funny thing is, alot of these pill-poppin rappers arent really cool either. when i was coming up, lil wayne was seen as a twerp and tity boy err 2chainz was goofy as all hell. and they still fit that mold.

so it really aint hard for a cool intellectual rapper to shine. problem is they dont exist anymore. or at best, theyre obscure unknowns.
 

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Oh you mean the thread that tries to not come off as disingenuous, but resorts to the same nonsensical fukkery and rhetoric that white people have been saying about black music since the 50's?

@PhonZhi still waiting for those positive black role models for you to post. Don't keep us in suspense.

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commence to calling me mad, taking this too seriously, cac, c00n, agent and other buzzwords and empty phrases you can muster.:snooze:
So it's disingenuous to suggest we need strong intellectual black men to become cool oppose to strung out junkies ? :patrice:

It's not nonsense that the popularity of lean & pills among black teens and young adults have increased in the past couple of years , you're just in denial or you just don't go outside much :manny:
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Claim people are feeding me bullshyt but automatically believe people are filling out surveys with 100% honesty just to accommodate to your argument brehs
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OP has good intentions but didnt think this thread thru.

wheres the cool intellectual rappers at? you cant put cool labels on anybody just off GP.

funny thing is, alot of these pill-poppin rappers arent really cool either. when i was coming up, lil wayne was seen as a twerp and tity boy err 2chainz was goofy as all hell. and they still fit that mold.

so it really aint hard for a cool intellectual rapper to shine. problem is they dont exist anymore. or at best, theyre obscure unknowns.
Maybe in your generation since you're an 80s baby and witnessed the effects of the drug epidemic so being seen as a junkie after that was no bueno , but molly & lean is more accepted in mine , almost every time I hit a party up I'm offered either of the two & I'm from NYC a couple years ago nikkas would have looks at you crazy for mentioning those substances now it's the norm .
 
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Ok, so we 'gon act like this isn't one of the highest selling albums of all time?

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We acting like Eazy-E, Bone, Scarface, and them grimy ass NY rappers weren't around in the nineties promoting the same...exact...shyt?
 

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Ok, so we 'gon act like this isn't one of the highest selling albums of all time?

Dr.DreTheChronic.jpg


We acting like Eazy-E, Bone, Scarface, and them grimy ass NY rappers weren't around in the nineties promoting the same...exact...shyt?
So weed is as detrimental as pills and excessive drinking of cough syrup now :comeon:

Some rappers in the 90s were promoting dust on the low though I can't front
 

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Future might be the all time worst person to ever make music.

Glorify EL Chapo then wonder why teens kill each other over this culture.

Are you fukking out of your mind?

You really think the kids in East Baltimore are influenced to act by Lil Wayne and Future. Do you actually believe that kids growing up in Newark or Chicago are taking their queues from Fetty Wap?

Music is entertainment and can't even begin to touch what's going on in these streets. shyt is realer than real, from birth.

This is a racist argument and I don't expect it coming from black folks. Then again, if you don't know, then you don't know. :scust:
 

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So it's disingenuous to suggest we need strong intellectual black men to become cool oppose to strung out junkies ? :patrice:

It's not nonsense that the popularity of lean & pills among black teens and young adults have increased in the past couple of years , you're just in denial or you just don't go outside much :manny:
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Claim people are feeding me bullshyt but automatically believe people are filling out surveys with 100% honestly just to accommodate to your argument brehs
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The OP's thread title is disingenuous, because he has a out played agenda. He stated we really need strong, intellectually, healthy black men for the youth.

You know what? That's a fine topic, where you can have posters discuss and link positive, uplifting people doing better and succeeding in fields outside of entertainment and athletics (Chamillionare a fantastic example being an entertainer with his hands in the tech world) which could even lead to networking and putting our feet to the ground.

But Instead, it's just another age old "Society sucks, everyone is dumb, except MEEE!!!!" adage that one could chalk up to an over inflated ego.

And who said I automatically believed them in the first place? I've posted other sources (that you obviously didn't read) that don't support his claims that it's because of hip-hop black youth are doing everything abusing drugs and performing blood sacrifices.

It's funny how you bring up how "I don't go outside" yet the only rebuttal you have is your anecdotal evidence of people around your way. Which is why, I used the term myopic.

I'll leave you with this, I've wiped my hands no longer entertaining this self-loathing hysteria under the guise of intellectual discourse.

 

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So weed is as detrimental as pills and excessive drinking of cough syrup now :comeon:

Some rappers in the 90s were promoting dust on the low though I can't front

I've never heard of a drug addict who didn't start off smoking weed. :yeshrug:

Regardless, the discussion is promoting drug use through music. It's been going on since bop was around.
 
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